RAFH

Enough with the preaching. OK?

Its meaningless and annoying.

Larsguy47

Right. That photo is obviously a direct product of my imagination.


That's all fine and good. But what IF. Per my claim, everyone in this alleged secret organization of mine who saw the sign were like the person who took a picture of the sign when it appeared to her, also took pictures? And at some point, those who did decided to post them? So that suddenly you had 30 or 40 photos of this same scene, the sleeping black child? What that then affect what you consider "evidence"? So this might just be a test, because you don't know what else I have that I haven't told you about.


I'd say so too, but I'm coming with a PHOTO. I'm claiming this photo and imagery is from GOD and that that concept of the messiah as the black sleeping child, representing him as the prodigal son messiah is a concept held by others and I published proof of that in a photo of subliminal art showing clearly a black face with his eyes closed in the palm of Jesus with a cryptic bird figure implied right next to it. It can't be too obvious, right, it's supposed to be subliminal. So what about that?

So why not tell me? You don't see anything in the clouds, right? But what about this face in the hand of Jesus? Do you see that?



Or is that face just more of my imagination? WHY do you think the artists created that image? What do you think is going on?


I agree. But maybe that's why I was given the photo. To push this to another level. So tell me:

1. Does the face in the hand look like a BLACK face, in features?

2. Would you say the eyes are closed, or open?

3. Do you think this rendering was incidental, accidental or intentional?

4. Since this is in the hand of Jesus, do you have any alternative explanation as to what connection a sleeping black person might have with Jesus? Keep in mind this is the time of the last days when the seals are broken from the scroll. So this is an image of Jesus in the latter times.

Now this is just like people claiming there's an "Illuminati" and there are all kinds of Freemasons and secret socities, which people LOVE to just wave away and say, "There's absolutely no evidence of such!" Yet right there on the dollar bill is an ancient Mysteries symbolism, the seeing eye pyramid!




So tell me. Am I paranoid and delusional to think this is not some secret message? Is this put there just for decoration and a seeing eye pyramid is just a very common image? They just needed something to decorate the dollar with and it was a toss up between a vase with roses or the seeing eye pyramid and the pyramid won in a close 51 to 49 vote! ?

Things that appear right before your eyes can tell us nothing or everything. It depends upon whether your eyes are opened or not.

SO JUST TO GET YOU ON THE SAME PLANE HERE: The messiah at the second coming appears with befouled garments, represented by high priest Joshua, who is crowned as king. HINT: The king-priest messiah is always the second coming messiah, not the first, and always associated with sin. Thus the robes of Joshua are soiled. The second time Christ appears is as king-priest "Melchizedek." Likewise, in the NT we see the parable of the PRODIGAL SON who also gets "new robes" and a banquet celebration, an sandals on his feet, and a ring! All these are hints that this prodigal son is actually the messiah come out of a life of sin. Now see the connection? the NEW ROBES given to Joshua (Mal. 3:1-5) and the new robes given the prodigal son are talking about the same thing! Thus the messiah at the second coming is not born as a pefect, sinless infant, but is an ordinary man whom Christ uses when he returns to human form at the second coming.

To depict this, GOD HIMSELF chose artistic imagery to represent this unique second coming. The CLOSED EYES represent the death of the prodigal son when he lives god! The black clouds are used to represent his general physical nature, which is a Black man. The CHILD'S FACE is used to contrast a man vs a child. A child is perceived to be young and thus a son, etc. compared to an adult who could be presumed to be god and never have been a child, etc. So those elements come together for the unique nature of the messiah at the second coming. The sleeping black child, represents the black prodigal son messiah.

So having noted that this is God's own means of representing the messiah at the second coming, as seen in the photo of the cloud imagery, why and how do you think the Watchtower organization came up with that specific concept so as to depict it in their subliminal art. Remember, this is a duplication of that CONCEP, the sleeping black child, in direct association with JESUS! Further, if you look closely, you can see a cryptic bird figure to the lower left right next to the hand.

SO WHAT DO WE MAKE OF THIS? One thing is that obviously, someone else must have seen this image and understood what it represented!

NOW, you have to put that into the context of my very usual and common DELUSION that is no different than any other delusional fundy who thinks they talked with God.

It's just like the seeing eye pyramid on the dollar. Lots of people will say Freemasons don't exist and don't have any power in the world, it's just a "conspiracy" theory. Yet you see somebody is influencial enough to put their trademark symbolism on a dollar bill that the masses look at every day and not give a second thought to.

Some people don't see, because they don't want to see. The darkness makes them feel more secure, so they keep their eyes tightly closed at all costs.


LG47

Larsguy47

Interesting, but this is not PREACHING! But you bring up a good point. If I simply was representing a certain "interpretation" of scripture, like so many others with varying views, then it would be just that, a different interpretation. But once it is seen that this might be connected with personal motive, then suddenly it is invalidated. But that doesn't make the interpertation invalid, simply because it's personal, does it?

So while others express their personal interpretations on topics about Jesus, it's considered "preaching" when that person is part of the fulfillment and thus they are outlawed to express their view.

So however, "annoying" it is to you, it's still a valid position for which you can accept or not. But it's not "preaching." That is, I'm applying the Bible to a REALITY which is supposed to be happening now if you bothered to understand Bible CHRONOLOGY. But because you are expecting something else other than this REALITY, you feel I should not express it. But actually, your only choice is simply not to agree with it. You're in no position to judge it.

But you're in a trap here. It's like quicksand. Once you start to connect the dots, you'll get in deeper and deeper. Suddenly the parable about Joshua with his befouled garments about to become king will make sense in connection with the new robes given to the prodigal son in the NT. You'll figure out the secret meaning of that parable is that the prodigal son is supposed to be the messiah and he's an ordinary man. You'll understand this secret "banquet" is the same as the "wedding feast" in other parables. Then if you ever actually bother to understand the chronology and realize the 70th week recurs between 1989-1996, presumably when the Christ is supposed to arrive, then you will REALLY be annoyed when you start thinking it might be possible that this is really real after all. The nonbelievers are far more vulnerable to this than the false believers though, because they don't have so many previously implied interpretations.

If an angel came to you tonight and convinced you he was an angel from God and told you to share your experience on the board that you had actually seen an angel; how many people would you expect would believe you? How many people would simply tell you to get medical help? What other choice would they have? None. But what other choice would you have? In the meantime, the angels are watching this unfold to see how many people and when they finally catch on that this is REAL. Problem is, when the world at large finally believes who the messiah is, it is just before the end of the world.

LG47

Larsguy47

Does that include photos of cloud imagery and subliminal art?


The Bible, of course. Those other prophets are on their own to prove they are more than just men promoting ideas unconnected to a real god.

LG47

Catherine Bain

Who was that?

David B

Forgotten his name, but found the story reading the old TOs in the museum. John Tipton remembered the case, I now recall, so it was more like 1930s.

David B

Steve Weiss

I'm not directing my comments at you specifically as I doubt that we disagree on substantial issues. I'm just indicating that we should have truth in packaging. The contents of the bible package are fictional, counterfeits and not to be consumed and swallowed whole. Those that want to quote the bible chapter and verse can do so if they like, but they are in the realm of fiction. Even one miracle related in a text disqualifies it from consideration as a serious, factual work, and the bible is a compendium of phony stories and massive exaggeration designed to mystify and bamboozle.

Steve Weiss

You make numerous factual and conceptual errors. Since I do not assert that the stories in the bible are true, as you do, there is no requirement for me to prove anything. One is never required to disprove a truth claim. That would be a gross equivocation and would place the arbitrary on the same footing as the factual, which, of course, it is not. You claim that the wild and woolly stories are factual from Adam and Eve to resurrections, so it up to you to substantiate these fantastic stories. Failing same, your claims are to be flatly disregarded. All you are doing is repeating nonsense, crying wolf when there is no wolf. That is delusional and dangerous thinking, if it really qualifies as thinking.

How an even semi-rational chronologically mature adult can swallow the bizarre and impossible stories related in the bible is mind-boggling to me. Among privitives and children perhaps these stories could be uncritically accepted as possible, but not among anyone with more than a fifth grade education. Among even young adolescents biblical miracles would have to be seen as laughable fables and myths. If one were so mentally challenged and terminally gullible that they cannot sort out flights of fantasy from reality, then professional help is called for. The fact that some actual characters and events may be related in the bible provides it with no additional credibility, no more so than any honestly identified fictional novel. Not only is the bible totally without any credibility on points of substance, the passing off of this fiction as a god endorsed truth is the greatest hoax and deceit ever foisted upon a credulous population.

RAFH

You're still preaching, its still annoying. Maybe we'll get lucky and you'll get assumed into your heaven like Mary did. Then your god and junior and the wholly spooky can be annoyed with your drivel.

Sarpedon

Ok everyone, I have to remind everyone of the rules. In particular, no insults, no questioning anyone's motives, no preaching. I'd hate to have to close an otherwise interesting thread.

Mod hat off: Larsguy, do you mean to say that THOSE are the pictures you alluded to earlier? Do you not know that you can paint a picture of anything, real or not?