Derec

You would be correct. Orthodox Christmas is December 25th (Julian), but the Julian calender does not have centannial leap year corrections (no leap year in years divisible by 100, except for years divisible by 400) so there is a discrepancy.
Since the Gregorian calendar was introduced by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582, the Eastern Church (not under the authority of the popes, and quite demonstrative about it) refused to adopt it.

Right. The countries that practiced Orthodoxy stayed on Julian calendar until well into the 20th century, but they are all on Gregorian calendar now. The Churches themselves, however, are still on Gregorian for the most part (Greek Orthodox Church adopted Gregorian calendar for ecclesiastical holidays imho) and so Orthodox Christmas is on January 7th until further notice.

Derec

firebird

HOW DID OUR CHRISTMAS STORY ORIGINATE ?

Now let us see how the Jesus nativity and life story originated out of the combination of cultures and mainly the Zeus worship which was such a strong point with Alexander.

WE MUST CONSIDER THREE PERSONS

We are going to consider three persons here as we look to develop the origins of our Christmas story.

We must consider Zeus , Krishna, and Jesus.

WHICH ONE CAME FIRST ?

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/nativity.htm

http://hiddenmeanings.com/crucifixion.html

http://www.truthbeknown.com/sunsofgod.htm


http://www.truthbeknown.com/introduction.htm


http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/astromain1a.html



http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religi...usoutline.html


http://www.phanes.com/sungod.html



http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion...christ2002.htm


http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/cr.htm


http://tribes.tribe.net/solarmythologynastrotheology

http://www.truthbeknown.com/christcon.htm


http://members.aol.com/larrypahl/5stars.htm

http://www.capstonebooks.com/orig/pages/stars.html



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Agemegos

That makes no sense either. What would the Romans want with a census of where people were born? They wanted a census that showed where the tax-collectors could find them.

The story of Joseph and Mary travelling to Bethlehem for a Roman census is a late and nonsensicalinvention by a mendacious Gospel-writer trying desperately and unsuccessfully to reconcile his preconception that the Messiah had to be born in Bethlehem with the then well-known fact that people called Jesus 'the Nazarene', and the traditions of his coming from Galilee, which is nowhere near Bethlehem.

What's more, it is chronologically irreconcileable with the account of Jesus being born in the time of Herod the Great. The Romans did not census Judaea until it became a Roman province, and it did not become a Roman province until after Herod the Great died. In fact Herod died in 4 BC and the first Roman census of Judaea (under Quirinus, I believe) was not until about 6-7 AD.

Face it. Jesus may not be a myth, but all the material pertaining to him before he started his ministry (at the age of thirty) is pure make-believe.

Agemegos

Caves were (and still are) popular for the purpose. Another popular resort was to build a pen by stacking up stones from the fields into a round or rectangular wall.

And sheep don't need tending by night except when they at lambing or have vulnerable lambs.

Agemegos

Alice Through the Looking-Glass and Humpty-Dumpty would be a more apposite reference.

NZSkep

not that I belive in god or anything but I still don't understand what you mean.
If someone was eternal he can still have a son at some point (say 1AD) and then that son can be alive for the rest of eternity and therefore be eternal?
Why does eternal imply eternal past. From now until an infinite point in the future is eternal isn't it?

JEST2ASK

:thumbs:


Thank You
I did a quick Google : http://www.sabian.org/Alice/lgchap06.htm ... added to my favorites for later to re-aquaint myself with a look at other chapters ...

Matt the Medic

Eternal means 'outside time'. 'If something has a starting point it can not be eternal as it is bound by time. If something has a starting point but not an ending point, it can be perpetual or immortal, I presume.

JEST2ASK

(Webster's ) Valid or existing at all times, Perpetual, Timeless ... IMO that goes for past and present ... plus the everlasting to everlasting thing ... How the son was begotten is a bigger mystery to me ..

Sorry Matt The Medic beat me

mindovermyth

(Part bolded by MoM)

Jesus was born on April 24th in the fourth year of himself. Tell a priest to weave that into his christmas sermon, great stuff.