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Old 03-30-2005, 05:16 PM   #11
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But shit man, you just compared gnostic with Gnosticism which is not gnostic as an -ism. The Gnostics were believers and I just told you that gnostics are not believers or they would not be gnostic. That you cannot comprehend the difference is not their problem but yours. Let me give you a hint here and say that gnostics are known to be entertained by the absurdity of the suffering souls in hell.

Can you 'top' that?
It is just that your use of the term "gnostic" is confusing. In Christian theology and church history, "gnostic" is a term of art referring to a specific set of beliefs, as the other posters in this thread have indicated.
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I still don't understand. PLEASE don't take offense to this, but word your sentences a little more logically, please, if you have a non-metaphysical message in your posts.

So, from what I gather--

A. You are not speaking of the Christian sect of Gnosticism
B. You are using the term "gnosis" the way it was originally used in Greek, to mean "knowledge"
C. You are saying that Aquinas and Augustine were "gnostics" in the sense that you use the term; meaning that they believed themselves to have "special knowledge" of God.

Would that be right?
The difference between a Gnostic and a gnostic is that the gnostic knows and the Gnostic, who belongs to a religion or -ism, does not know or he would not have faith. Revelation clearly states that there are no temples in the New Jerusalem because there is no faith in heaven, only knowledge without faith. The evidence that they were in heaven is made by their rather eclectic statement that those in heaven are entertained by the suffering souls in hell (do you really think that they needed that as entertainment?).

What they are telling you here is that heaven is a place on earth, and so is hell, where [self proclaimed] Christians go to church, as did the various sects of Gnostics, neither of whom were therefore Gnostic, or Christian, because the word Christian and gnostic are synonymous for being 'in the know' and therefore in heaven or 'beyond religion.' Notice here that Jesus did not become Christ until after resurrection and did not ascend until Thomas was without doubt and Peter was without faith (defrocked) with the exclamation by Thomas "My Lord andmy God to show that God and Lord God are one and the same . . . henceforth and therefore omniscient.

To be gnostic is not to have special knowledge 'of God' but it is to 'be God.'
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Old 03-30-2005, 05:24 PM   #13
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It is just that your use of the term "gnostic" is confusing. In Christian theology and church history, "gnostic" is a term of art referring to a specific set of beliefs, as the other posters in this thread have indicated.
Read my next post and it will make sense. Since Gnosticism as an -ism is a religion it uses the capital G, and to juxtapose my gnostic with the Gnostics of the -ism I use a small g for the gnostic in the true sense of the word gnostic.

The gnostic is a Freeman who does not have to think while the freeman who thinks he is free must think to arrive at that conclusion . . . and is therefore not free.
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