Wallener

Should this more properly be 'Judahites Only' as there was(?) a restriction on going to the Samaritans?

darstec

It seems to fit a Greek Tragedy play of the story of Joshua used to symbolize the overthrough of Rome much better.

It is also a great observation on the events or phenomena of the Vesuvius eruption of 79 CE.

CJD

Chris, the majority of the NT culls from the Jewish tradition, expecially the 2nd Temple period, which, it should go without saying, did not take place in a vacuum. Nonetheless, the majority of NT writings essentially attempt to re-evaluate the story of Israel in light of the story of Jesus. Missing this is tantamount to reading with one's eyes closed. Freigeister's point ought to be well-taken.

CJD

Dharma

if you can believe that the worship of Jesus on a Sunday and why Jesus has 12 apostles (sun worship) is Jewish...the worship of virgins is Jewish, I have a bridge I want to sell you...

The New Testament ONLY makes sense as a Greek attempt to convert Jews, no other way. The only way they could do that was use examples in the Torah about the Messiah to make Jesus acceptable to the Jews. And yes, they probably used Jewish converts to this new religion to make the new likeness. It is also unlikely that Jews would call themselves "sons of the devil" and blame their own bretheren for deicide which is what the Gospels do.

Christianity didn't happen in a vacuum.

freigeister

Vorkosigan claims that "Crossan has welcomed much of the sociological and literary work that shows the links between Hellenism and Judaism and the portraits of Jesus in the early Christian writings."

Here is a quotation from Excavating Jesus : Beneath the Stones, Behind the Texts: Revised and Updated by John Dominic Crossan, Jonathan L. Reed (Paperback - September 1, 2002) p. 14:

CJD

Um, and the weekly calendar has been the same throughout recorded history?

Um, the 12 tribes maybe?

No, this is just a man-thing.

[deleted vulgarity], okay?

Then go write a book about it. I'm sure some fancy school will lay out the red carpet for you, heaping accolades upon you, pining for your mere presence. Why don't you wake up?! The history-of-religions schools lost credibility years ago.

No, but your thinking apparently does.

Dharma

oh the 12 tribes eh? Now try to integrate this concept with the fact that Jews consider Saturday NOT Sunday there day of Sabbath.


ooh, a trinitarian protestant who depends on his religion to come from Judaism or it fails...can you explain your trinity and how it relates to Judaism...



Temper, temper, temper I heard in your religion it takes you to hell forever and ever and ever...

Wake up? Now that's something...perhaps you should read a little history on where the first Jewish persecution started. It started in Antioch by the Greeks where "christians were first called Christians", the Greek king suspended the Torah readings immediately...the New testament is not about praising Judaism, it is anti-judaism and pro-Greco Roman. There is a clear reason why Christianity is celebrated in a more non-Abrahamic way, it is because it was meant to integrate the messianic ideas of the Torah with the idea of the Solar king of the Greco-Romans and make the Jews accept this sun king of the Greco-Roman concept by likening Jesus with King David.

Can you honestly believe, if you have even an ounce of logic, that the arrogant Greek and Roman Emperors/Kings and their proud people who were so proud of the fact that they ruled what they thought was the "entire known world", would think the small time king David who ruled nothing more than Israel as their "savior" -- ooh, so according to modern protestant "sholars" you think the Roman and Greek kings were peeing in their pants with fear at the thought of the return of King David?

again, if you can believe that, I have a bridge to sell you... :banghead: There is no way a colonialist mentality would allow that.

Christianity as more Judaic got more emphasis after the advent of Protestantism.

Wallener

The 12 tribes were long long gone. Only 3 (or 2, depending how you count) were left. The 12 gods on Olympus would seem to be more relevant in that timeframe.

Jayhawker Soule

I vaguely remember hearing something about the "Throne Mystics" that brought to mind Revelations. Does anyone know if this is a useful area of investigation?

CJD

Riiiiiggghhhht. It'd be more relevant in a Jewish messianic sect adrift in the foothills of the Palestinian Levant. Do you realize what you're saying, and that the argument with which you must sustain your idea demands that we first ignore the socio-grammatical components of the pertinent texts?

This idiocy should have died with Wrede, Bousset, and the like.