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Heathen Dawn · 06-14-2004, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlongmire

Like trying to define the color green to a blind-from-birth person...

And you feel superior to people with a birth defect? You should be ashamed of yourself.

GermanHeretic · 06-14-2004, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ad Astra

What about in terms of wavelength?

Great! :notworthy

phoenixgirl · 06-14-2004, 06:32 AM

I probably would have said the same thing when I was a believer . . . if only people could feel and experience and know (well, "know") what I did, then they too would have faith, but it was somehow beyond their grasp.

The truth is that a majority of people have faith in something . . . another religion, or angels, or ghosts, or whatever. Most people understand faith. They just don't understand fundamentalism, which is where your faith runs away with your brain.

Godless Wonder · 06-14-2004, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by phoenixgirl

The truth is that a majority of people have faith in something . . . another religion, or angels, or ghosts, or whatever. Most people understand faith.

I would have expressed that last sentence as "most people have faith." If they understood faith, they wouldn't have faith. People "have" faith in the a way similar to the way that they "have" malaria. Though malaria is usually easier to cure.

jdlongmire · 06-14-2004, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Heathen Dawn

And you feel superior to people with a birth defect? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Actually, I do not feel superior to anyone...including those with birth defects. My goal is to gather information from those with the birth defect and see if there is some useful data for gathering and approaching common ground...

jdlongmire · 06-14-2004, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Godless Wonder

What of those who have faith in opposing viewpoints? IN the very best possible case for faith, assuming for the sake of argument that the plurality of proponents who are in agreement with one another regarding what they "know" to be true via faith, faith would still be providing the wrong answers to 61% of people who rely on it, based on figures from adherents.com

And note, in that plurality considered to be in "agreement", jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Protestants and Catholics are included with each other. If you really break it down, faith fares much, much worse.

I am approaching faith as an inclusive term...

King Rat · 06-14-2004, 07:53 AM

This 'thought':

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Faith: If you don't got it, you won't get it!
Like trying to define the color green to a blind-from-birth person...

And this 'thought':

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I am approaching faith as an inclusive term...

Are contradictory.

Magus55 · 06-14-2004, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DBT

Faith---bletch! Don't want it,don't need it.
It's a waste of time kidding yourself that something is true just because you wish it to be.

I don't wish it to be true, i'm quite convinced it is.

Mageth · 06-14-2004, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

I don't wish it to be true, i'm quite convinced it is.

If you're convinced, then you don't have "faith" that it is.

Faith · 06-14-2004, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mageth

If you're convinced, then you don't have "faith" that it is.

convinced: brought by argument to belief, consent or course of action.

You can be convinced of something without knowing it to be true. How is faith thereby negated?

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06-14-2004, 06:32 AM	#13
phoenixgirl Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 38	I probably would have said the same thing when I was a believer . . . if only people could feel and experience and know (well, "know") what I did, then they too would have faith, but it was somehow beyond their grasp. The truth is that a majority of people have faith in something . . . another religion, or angels, or ghosts, or whatever. Most people understand faith. They just don't understand fundamentalism, which is where your faith runs away with your brain.

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