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Goodchild · 07-05-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by the Radio Star

What should I do?

Don't go.

But seriously, Jersey's really not that bad.

Wolfie · 07-05-2007, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Y.B

Hey, the Radio Star. Since video killed you in the early 1980's, shouldn't you alreday know what happens to you after death?

Dang, ya beat me to it!

Anyway, you can always hit rewind if you've gone too far...

Johnny68 · 07-05-2007, 08:28 AM

In the Koran it is much more simple there are people who will go to heaven for they are believers and people who will go to hell as they are non-believers. A non believer will never believe so they are born to go to hell while a believer will at some point see the error of their ways and become a believer.

As someone in another thread said if God allows Hell is he truly a good god or does god have to be good at all, the old testament god is one of vengeance and likes the odd sacrifice of first borns so if your going to doubt make sure they bury you in Teflon!

BigJim · 07-05-2007, 09:40 AM

Just carry one of these around with you.

the Radio Star · 07-05-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Y.B

Hey, the Radio Star. Since video killed you in the early 1980's, shouldn't you alreday know what happens to you after death?

I was actually killed in the early 1950's. The song commerating my death came in 1979, five years before my reincarnation.

Queen of Swords · 07-06-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by EternallyI

Does it really seem right to think that the One who created man ought to be subject to their requests?

So your God is like a father, who, when his son asks for bread, gives him a stone?

ELECTROGOD · 07-06-2007, 02:29 PM

...sure, it's so you have something to stone the unbelievers with.

the Radio Star · 07-07-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny68

In the Koran it is much more simple there are people who will go to heaven for they are believers and people who will go to hell as they are non-believers. A non believer will never believe so they are born to go to hell while a believer will at some point see the error of their ways and become a believer.

As someone in another thread said if God allows Hell is he truly a good god or does god have to be good at all, the old testament god is one of vengeance and likes the odd sacrifice of first borns so if your going to doubt make sure they bury you in Teflon!

From what I get, the Qu'ran says that Muslims, Christians, and Jews will be allowed in heaven, by conservative estimates. More liberal Muslims think the Qu'ran says that all theists will go to heaven, or even that all religous people will go to heaven. Why doesn't Allah just let everyone into heaven?

sknight · 07-07-2007, 11:31 AM

Don't worry, you'll have us to keep you company.

Johnny68 · 07-08-2007, 09:04 AM

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Hell

Hell is a place that Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) has made for the non-believers. Hell has seven doors and seven levels. The highest one is called Jahannam. The lowest one is called Haawiya. All the levels have different names: Jahunnam, Saqar, Nutaa, Hutamah, Sa'eer, Jaheem and Haawiya. Inside Hell there are 70,000 jungles. In every jungle, there are 70,000 sections. In every section there are 70,000 snakes and scorpions. Those snakes are very poisonous, that if they bite someone this poison will stay in them for forty years. They will always bite the non-believers. The scorpions will be as big as donkeys and the snakes will be as big as camels. The Hell fire will be seventy times hotter than the world's fire. On the order of Allah, when the people of Hell will be thrown into Hell, they will wear clothes. The clothes will be marked with fire. The snakes and the scorpions will bite the people. When they will be punished like this, they will die again and again, and they will become alive again and again. This will happen to them over and over again.

In Hell, the least punishment will be that the people will be given fire shoes to wear, with this the person's brain will boil, like water boils in the kettle. The person will think he will be having the most punishment even though this punishment will be the least. In Hell, starvation will trouble people. They will ask for food to eat. They will get Zaqqoom. This is going to be so disgusting that if one drop of this falls on the earth the whole of the earth's things will start to smell and become disgusting. A type of food will be given to them called Daree. This will also get stuck in their throats. To bring it down they will ask for water but they will get hot pus, which will be so dirty that if a bucket full of this falls on the world the whole world will become sour. It is going to be so hot that when the people of Hell put their faces down to drink it their faces will burn. When they drink this, it will cut everything inside their stomach. This will always happen with them. Bad Muslims may go to Hell, but they will not stay in Hell forever. Allah decides how long He wants them to stay. At the end of their punishment, they will go to Heaven. If Allah wants, he can forgive them or punish them. People, who do good deeds to show people, will go to a place in Hell called Hub-Hub. This is a very bad place of Hell and is so terrible that the other parts of Hell ask protection from it. The people of Hell will want to die, but they can't die because the Angel will have slaughtered death on the Day of Judgement. The people who worshipped statues, the stars, the moon etc, in their life on earth, will be with them. Allah wants to show them that they worshipped these things on earth, but now they are with them, but they can't help. The Devil (Shaytaan) will also be in Hell. The people will say to him, "You misled us, we are here because of YOU!" Devil will say, "Allah sent Prophets, and He sent books. You know I was wrong, so why did you follow me?"

The non-believers will ask the Angel's who are in charge of Hell to ask Allah to forgive them. When the Angel's request Allah, to forgive the non-believers, Allah will say to the Angel, "Tell the non-believers, I sent Messengers to you on earth. Why didn't you believe in what they said? So now you will remain in Hell forever." Then the non-believers will remain in Hell forever.

from http://www.islamicinformationcentre.co.uk/muslims.htm

:angel: :devil3: I'm more of a Black Sabbath fan, " The world is full of Kings and queens, that will blind your eyes and steal your dreams, it's heaven and hell"

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07-05-2007, 08:28 AM	#23
Johnny68 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cottingham, East Yorkshire, UK Posts: 5	In the Koran it is much more simple there are people who will go to heaven for they are believers and people who will go to hell as they are non-believers. A non believer will never believe so they are born to go to hell while a believer will at some point see the error of their ways and become a believer. As someone in another thread said if God allows Hell is he truly a good god or does god have to be good at all, the old testament god is one of vengeance and likes the odd sacrifice of first borns so if your going to doubt make sure they bury you in Teflon!

07-05-2007, 09:40 AM	#24
BigJim Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Stepford, CT Posts: 4,296	Just carry one of these around with you.

07-06-2007, 02:29 PM	#27
ELECTROGOD Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: GR, MI USA Posts: 4,009	...sure, it's so you have something to stone the unbelievers with.

07-07-2007, 11:31 AM	#29
sknight Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Anglos Saxona Posts: 883	Don't worry, you'll have us to keep you company.

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