Keith&Co.

Are you? And is the demand for the 94 CE date?

The question is when the comments about Jesus were first included, whether it was a complete interpolation or just putting a pro-christain spin on comments he made.

That is, of course, the question about the historical support that Josephus offers for a historical jesus.
The fact that it was published around 60 years after the alleged death of Jesus does prevent any claim of it being a contemporary account, but that's not going to change by moving it back or forth by 6 years.

figuer

It isn't besides the point since it indicates that the author could have been both Jewish and Christian in the religious sense since Christianity was an exclusively Jewish sect in its beginning. The author could have been a Jew that considered Christ to be the Jewish Messiah (Christ).

SlowTrainComing

Josephus was born in 37 A.D. Safe to say he died shortly after 100 A.D. I, therefore, will place the date of publication between 37 A.D. - circa 100 A.D.

As I've said, this evidence you have of Josephus claiming he wrote the book outside of his lifetime, please present it.

Keith&Co.

37-37 = 0 years old?

This evidence you have of Josephus publishing the book before he learned to walk, please present it.

Equinox

Just to clarify, I happen to think that there is around a 50-70% chance that an actual person whom the Jesus legends are based on actually existed. In that, I think you agree with me that some kind of Jesus probably existed, in contrast to others on this board. However, that’s not the contention (and all the MJer’s, please don’t argue for an MJ with me, I don’t really have a beef with you and it’s not the topic of this thread.).

What I do dispute, is your claim that “there are myriad contemporaneous accounts of Jesus’ life”. All that we have are accounts that are much later and not contemporaneous – even if we look as far out as 100 years after his execution, we only have a handful of accounts (4?), not myriads. That’s the topic of this post, and that’s what I’m saying is incorrect in your statement – the two words “myriad” and “contemporaneous”.

Even if you dropped that down by three orders of magnitude to 10, I don't think you can come up with 10 sources that are contemporaneous with Jesus' life. In fact, I can't make strong case for 2.


Let’s all try to stay on topic.

Thanks-

Equinox

Jeffrey Gibson

[QUOTE=SlowTrainComing;5439980]I do.

You are not being attacked. You are being asked to do what scholarly discourse obliges you to do when you assert something, and especially when you assert it as apodictically as you have done and when you lay claim, as you most certainly did, to possession of global knowledge of where scholarship stands on the issues you are making claims about - i.e., to back up your claims.

Can you or can't you?

Jeffrey

SlowTrainComing

yes, it is. Read through Jeffrey Gibson's and toto's recent posts to me.

Well, that's not a claim that's been made. No one has credibly attacked whether or not Josephus made mention of Jesus in his book, only whether or not he wrote of Jesus as Savior and Messiah.

SlowTrainComing

I think you lost yourself in search of your own tail there :Cheeky:

SlowTrainComing

You're asking me to quote my sources that claim the book was written around 93-94 A.D., correct?

if that's the case, I will happily post them. But I would like to know what that will accomplish. When do you think the book was written/published?

Keith&Co.

Awp. You're right. You made a dogmatic assertion with great exactitude and now you wonder why you're being asked to prove how you knew that. I'm sorry.