Javaman

Um, doesn't make it true, though.

Javaman

FWIW, it's not that every detail is wrong. It's about internal inconsistency, and that claimed prophesies aren't actual prophesies. Further, there are actual OT prophetic writings that Jesus, if he existed, did not fulfill - plus there are internally-valid reasons he couldn't have been The Messiah.

mata leao

hmmm not conclusively true, but not conclusively false, but better.....perhaps the test is in the choosing!

JaredM

How could Jesus be of the "seed of Abraham" if he was born of a virgin? "Seed" is usually taken to mean "sperm", as in the story of Onan. Which one is it then?

--Jared

mata leao

jesus' geneology is established both matrilineally and patrilineally

Javaman

which is both wrong and irrelevant given how Jewish bloodlines are measured.

Javaman

As interesting as this diversion could be, it would be nice if Half-Life came back and tried to address what was written. Most here understand how Psalm 22 is mis-translated and doesn't constitute prophesy. Perhaps we'll have an argument about it? And you, mata leao, do you want to argue about prophesy?

Spanky

I remember when I was an apologist my faith hung pretty much on the fact that jesus fullfilled all the porphecies. but then. . .
Then as I read these alleged prophecies I realized that they were always taken out of context, usually talking about someone else, and sometimes just made up by the writers of the NT.
Now, as I am no longer "in the box" I laugh (as does mato leao @ us) at the thought of this jesus fullfilling prophecy. The pophecies were, as mentioned afore, cut and pasted into the story to the pleasure of those who wrote them.

NOGO

The life of the flesh in NOT IN THE BLOOD.
That is the most reidiculous statement ever made.
The example that you give only indicates your ignorance.

First, every cell in you body is alive in its own right.
There is no more life in one cell than another.

Second, every cell needs nourishment.
If you cut it off the cell dies.
If I take away oxygen from the air that you breath you will die within minutes. Does that mean that your life is in the oxygen that you breath?
Of course not.

It is true that blood carries the nourishment to all cells and this is a vital element of the feeding process. Did ancient people know this?
No they did not.
What they knew is rather more simple.
The ancient Israelites, like many others, carried out ritual sacrifices.
In particular lambs and other sacrificial animals were killed by slicing their throats and bleeding them to death.
There is here a simple conclusion from observation.
No blood leads to death therefore blood = life.
Thre premise is correct; the conclusion is not.

Next subject
"He [God] hangeth the earth upon nothing".

This statement is taken out of context and is made to say something which it does not say.

First, this statement is made by Job.
Yahweh answers him in Chapter 38
Here is it
Yahweh first tells Job that he does not know what he is talking about.
(words without knowledge)
Then the first subject that Yahweh corrects Job on is exactly the subject at hand here, that is, the foundations of the earth.
And what does Yahweh tell Job?
Yahweh tells Job what the rest of the BIble also says and that is that the earth has a foundation and a cornerstone upon which it was laid.

The author of this book simple made Job say saomething ridiculous.
Something everybody knew was wrong.
He made him say that the earth was hung on nothing.
Why?
So that Yahweh could correct him and make him look like a fool.

If you do not accept this explanation then you have to come to the conclusion that Job knew something that Yahweh did not know.

Obviously incorrect since Yahweh corrected him qualifying Job's words as words without knowledge.

Second, you need to look at the entire sentence.

What is the north?
You can look at Job 9:8 and Isaiah 40:22 as well as many other verses in the bible. Yahweh stretched out the heavens over the earth like a dome or a tent.
So the empty space refers to the area under the dome.

Job like every other author of the Bible believed that the heavens were like a tent or dome over a flat earth.

There is no great knowledge here.

NOGO

Nonsense. It is full of them.
One of them is that the life of the flesh is in the blood.
Here is another among many.
Paul says that a seed must die before it can grow into a plant.
If the seed dies you wont get any plant.