Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi Spin, why can't the Messiah be the Red Heifer? If Israel can play the role of a harlot, why can't the Messiah play the role of the One who will separate sinners from their sin and cleanse them from the defilement of death?

The key in understanding how the Messiah is the Red Heifer is known by understanding how Elohim is the Fountain of Living Waters (Jer 2:13, 17:13). Living Water was required to be added to the Ashes of the Red Heifer in the Vessel. Water is life, and Living Water is Eternal Life, and Elohim is the source or fountain of it.

Numbers 19:15 requires that all open vessels should have a lid upon it, what happened to the vessel of the tomb? When the Messiah suffered and died, what remained of Him was His dead body (The Ashes). A clean man (Joseph of Arimathea) gathered up His dead body (The Ashes) and deposited them in a clean place (a tomb hewn out of solid rock in which no one had ever been laid), outside the camp/city.

For the purpose of separating sinners from their sin and cleansing them from the defilement of death, LIVING WATER/ETERNAL LIFE was added to the Ashes of the Red Heifer (The Messiah) as He was in the Vessel of the Tomb.

What further evidence do you need to convince you that Yeshua is the Messiah? KB

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

why can't the Messiah be the Red Heifer? If Israel can play the role of a harlot, why can't the Messiah play the role of the One who will separate sinners from their sin and cleanse them from the defilement of death?

The key in understanding how the Messiah is the Red Heifer is known by understanding how Elohim is the Fountain of Living Waters (Jer 2:13, 17:13). Living Water was required to be added to the Ashes of the Red Heifer in the Vessel. Water is life, and Living Water is Eternal Life, and Elohim is the source or fountain of it.

Numbers 19:15 requires that all open vessels should have a lid upon it, what happened to the vessel of the tomb? When the Messiah suffered and died, what remained of Him was His dead body (The Ashes). A clean man (Joseph of Arimathea) gathered up His dead body (The Ashes) and deposited them in a clean place (a tomb hewn out of solid rock in which no one had ever been laid), outside the camp/city.

For the purpose of separating sinners from their sin and cleansing them from the defilement of death, LIVING WATER/ETERNAL LIFE was added to the Ashes of the Red Heifer (The Messiah) as He was in the Vessel of the Tomb.

What further evidence do you need to convince you that Yeshua is the Messiah? KB

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

...7 day
...1000 years
...3rd day
...7th day
...8th Day
...2 days
...3rd day
...7th day
...3rd day
...7th day

Originally Posted by mountainman

When (which century) was this?

And what was so significant about the city of Emmaus?

εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

I am not a Jew nor a christian, and Not believing in the existence of any deity I do not hold Jewish or christian beliefs,
I don't believe in the Jewish or christian concepts of 'sin', nor in the idea that there is some sky daddy by any name 'out there' that can either impute or remove 'sin'.
I do not believe any thing such as even 'sin' exists outside of the taboos and warped imaginations of superstitious religious fruitcakes.

I do not believe in the fictional Jewish god nor in the bastard kid that christians claim took over his old man's family business.
I do not accept that it is 'sinful' to eat pork, or pick up sticks on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or any other day of the week or year, or to plant beans and corn in the same hill, or to wear a coat that has both wool and cotton.
I do not believe that I or anyone else ought to be kissing ass to the representative's of any religion.

I submit that nothing will ever truly bring about a remission of anyone's sin, because no such thing even exists.
The whole 'sin' thing being nothing more than human invented guilt trip, and means of support to religious bloodsuckers that use their imaginary god to ensnare men's minds in ancient superstitions and fears so that they can prey upon human misery.

So, you may tell what you believe about your religion, how you understand it to work, and I may even understand what you are claiming, but I am not at all buying your claims as any description of reality, or of how this world or the universe works.

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

A post that quite well demonstrates how the christians fabricated the Jezuz tale from bits and pieces adapted from old Jewish writings.
All that is left out is the crap stolen from Zoroastrianism, Babylonian, and Greek mythology that got also got stirred into their douche mixture.

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi Sheshbazzar, traditional christians have ignored what Moses wrote about Yeshua, and have established a false gospel based upon the doctrines and imaginations of men. Please find ONE commentary within traditional chrisitianity that claims the suffering, death, burial, the tomb being covered with a lid, and the 3rd day resurrection as all being written by Moses in The Ordinance of the Torah (The Red Heifer Ritual). I'll even make it a little easier, find ONE commentary within traditional christianity that makes the claim Numbers 19:17 is The Scripture which demands that Yeshua rise from the dead. So you see Sheshbazzar, you really shouldn't bring up traditional christianity with me and compare their delusional gospel with the One True Gospel. KB

Originally Posted by aa5874

I am extremely delighted with your response because you have shown exactly how the Pauline writings may have developed.

You claim to know of the "One True Gospel".

The Pauline writer did the very same thing.

Romans 9:1 KJV

Galatians 1:9 KJV I now understand how people introduce new teachings--just claim that they know of the "One True Gospel"

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi Sheshbazzar, well I'm sorry to hear that you reject the idea of turning from sin, but it is my duty to advise you that is a scary place to remain in:

(Acts 17:30) And the times of this ignorance Elohim winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Its a beautiful Sunday afternoon, the winds of spring have left my yard well littered with sticks, so I'm going to go out and gather up sticks (just like I did on Saturday) and I am not going to 'repent' of not believing in your ancient religious superstitions.
Because The Universe that I live doesn't give a damn about what day of the week I gather sticks on. If it did it would cause all creatures to cease going about their natural business one day a week.

I don't accept your superstitions, and I do not accept that violating your superstitious religious practices is 'sin' to anyone, except within the warped minds of those whose minds have seduced with this kind of superstitious mythological religious horse shit.