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Julio · 08-18-2010, 09:41 AM

Jesus will not come!
There are THREE lies in Revelation 22 to prove it!
Go find them and see.

WVIncagold · 08-18-2010, 10:36 AM

It will be like left for dead two except the zombies will be holding bibles and try to convert you (by eating you). Hey its all made up so i am just as right as anyone else.

sugarhitman · 08-18-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by coconino

Does anyone know of anything that has been written about Jesus's return ? What is it supposed to be like ? Does he just turn up and say "Take me to your leader ?" Where does he turn up ? Will it be obvious who he is ? Will the world be the same as it was seconds before his return ? How long does he stay ? What does he do ? How will we know its Jesus rather than one of the imposters he spoke about ? Do we kill him again ? Does he visit just earth ? Does anyone know why it has taken so long ?

Well, you can start by reading Zechariah 12-14.

Yeshua comes to deliver Israel during a period when all nations have invaded her over the Jerusalem Issue. Sadly, those nations will be destroyed and those supported it...and ofcourse those who chose to disregard his warnings about not choosing to repent of their sins. After that mankind will have what it always wanted....a Utopian world of peace, life and Liberty...and best of all...eternal life.

Chili · 08-18-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

But, we still wait for the FIRST coming.

Chili · 08-18-2010, 07:15 PM

I think he came and comes and keeps coming. He's just "the way" and if we find 'a way' it will be to his credit.

Julio · 08-18-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili

I think he came and comes and keeps coming. He's just "the way" and if we find 'a way' it will be to his credit.

Well, I still don't know what to say, honest.
What is this "thing" you call "the way", kindly?

coconino · 08-20-2010, 02:15 AM

OK, well, here is the challenge. The apocalyptic stuff quoted above is obviously grist for the mill of the ultra-right evangelical fundamentalists. But what would a more mainstream Anglican or Protestant believe ? (I assume that all Christian denominations believe in Jesus' Second Coming). Does anyone know the less loony explanations ?

Also, is it possible that by talking of the "Son of Man" Jesus is not referring to himself ? That we are incorrectly attributing the apocalyptic stuff to Jesus' return ?

James Brown · 08-20-2010, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by coconino

Also, is it possible that by talking of the "Son of Man" Jesus is not referring to himself ? That we are incorrectly attributing the apocalyptic stuff to Jesus' return ?

Bart Ehrman makes this argument quite a bit in his books, that Jesus is a prophet announcing the coming Son of Man, a spiritual being of some sort residing between Heaven and Earth. I've looked in my bible for Son of Man references, and in many of them he could very well be talking about someone else, but in others it's not so clear.

It's also interesting to me that Son of Man is almost never used in the NT outside of the Gospels (with one exception, uttered by Stephen at his stoning.)

coconino · 08-20-2010, 05:27 AM

Thanks James: So if there is a possible confusion equating Jesus with the Son of Man; and if Jesus is simply quoting well established eschatological tradition, is there any other convincing evidence, aside from what Paul (or Acts) may say, to establish that Jesus was ever meant to return, or what that was meant to entail ?

James Brown · 08-20-2010, 05:30 AM

I'm not sure. What I do find significant is that in the first chronological books of the NT (meaning the epistles of Paul, etc.) there is no mention of Jesus "returning" or "coming again." Every mention of Jesus coming to Earth is written as if it will occur for the first time someday in the near future.

It's only when the Gospels and Acts are written do we find any mention of Jesus' second coming.

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08-18-2010, 09:41 AM	#11
Julio Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 5,187	Jesus will not come! There are THREE lies in Revelation 22 to prove it! Go find them and see.

08-18-2010, 10:36 AM	#12
WVIncagold Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: West Virginina Posts: 4,349	It will be like left for dead two except the zombies will be holding bibles and try to convert you (by eating you). Hey its all made up so i am just as right as anyone else.

08-18-2010, 07:15 PM	#15
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	I think he came and comes and keeps coming. He's just "the way" and if we find 'a way' it will be to his credit.

08-20-2010, 02:15 AM	#17
coconino Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: highlands Posts: 145	OK, well, here is the challenge. The apocalyptic stuff quoted above is obviously grist for the mill of the ultra-right evangelical fundamentalists. But what would a more mainstream Anglican or Protestant believe ? (I assume that all Christian denominations believe in Jesus' Second Coming). Does anyone know the less loony explanations ? Also, is it possible that by talking of the "Son of Man" Jesus is not referring to himself ? That we are incorrectly attributing the apocalyptic stuff to Jesus' return ?

08-20-2010, 05:27 AM	#19
coconino Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: highlands Posts: 145	Thanks James: So if there is a possible confusion equating Jesus with the Son of Man; and if Jesus is simply quoting well established eschatological tradition, is there any other convincing evidence, aside from what Paul (or Acts) may say, to establish that Jesus was ever meant to return, or what that was meant to entail ?

08-20-2010, 05:30 AM	#20
James Brown Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Texas, U.S. Posts: 5,844	I'm not sure. What I do find significant is that in the first chronological books of the NT (meaning the epistles of Paul, etc.) there is no mention of Jesus "returning" or "coming again." Every mention of Jesus coming to Earth is written as if it will occur for the first time someday in the near future. It's only when the Gospels and Acts are written do we find any mention of Jesus' second coming.

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