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Old 10-31-2012, 09:22 AM   #641
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The history of the Jesus cult is remarkably easy to re-construct based on the existing abundance of evidence from antiquity.

In the 2nd century a story that the Jewish Temple Fell c 70 CE because the Jews Rejected and Killed the Son of their own God was fabricated and circulated in the Roman Empire.


That fabricated story is fundamentally the short gMark.

The invented story in short gMark later evolved into a Religion.

The short gMark has very little theological value where the Jesus character, identified by evil spirits as the Son of God, does NOT want the Jews, the outsiders, to obtain Salvation.

Mark 3
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11 And the unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him and cried out, saying: Thou art the Son of God.
In the short gMark, the Jesus character did NOT come to abolish the Laws of the Jews, did not come to be called Christ by the Jews, and did NOT come to be a Sacrifice.

The short Markan Jesus came fulfill prophecy and to Conquer Death.

The short Markan Jesus made it clear that the Jews would deliver him to be killed and AFTER he was KILLED he would RESURRECT.

Mark 8
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31 And he began to teach them that the Son of man must...... be put to death, and rise after three days.
Mark 9
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31 For he taught his disciples........... when he has been killed he will rise after three days.
Mark 10
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33 Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of man shall be delivered...... and they will........ put him to death, and after three days he shall rise.
The short Markan Jesus story has Nothing about a new Religion and there is NO Great Commission.

The short Markan Jesus would be Killed and he would Resurrect---that is all.

Mark16.6
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6 But he says to them: Be not amazed. You seek Jesus the Nazarene who was crucified; he has risen, he is not here: see the place where they laid him.
That is the END of the Markan Jesus story.

The Jews Delivered Jesus, the Son of God, to be killed and after he was killed he resurrected.

Hippolytus' Treatise Against the Jews
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7. But why, O prophet, tell us, and for what reason, was the temple made desolate?...... it was because they killed the Son of their Benefactor..
Justin's Dialogue with Trypho
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Accordingly, these things have happened to you in fairness and justice, for you have slain the Just One...
No Jesus story has been found and dated to the 1st century even the same Apologetic sources admit that the Jews did NOT acknowledge or identify any character called Jesus the Christ and Son of God.

The Jesus story and cult originated in the 2nd century sometime before or around the time of Simon Barchocheba c 133 CE.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:32 AM   #642
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The history of mankind must be assembled from credible sources--Not the Pauline writings.

The Pauline writings are sources of fiction.

It is already known that NO Pauline letters have been recovered and dated to the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

1. If Jesus did live he could have Only BEEN Human.

2. If Jesus was human after he was dead he did NOT resurrect.

3. If Jesus did NOT exist he could NOT have resurrected.

The Pauline writer claimed Jesus was dead but later Resurrected


Well, based on Josephus, Paul would have been considered a Liar by people of antiquity if he told them that Jesus was dead and that he resurrected.

If Jesus was human and was crucified he must have SURVIVED the crucifixion like ONE of the three crucified in "Life of Flavius Josephus".

Life of Flavius Josephus
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...I saw many captives crucified, and remembered three of them as my former acquaintance.

I...... went with tears in my eyes to Titus, and told him of them; so he immediately commanded them to be taken down, and to have the greatest care taken of them, in order to their recovery; yet two of them died under the physician's hands, while the third recovered.

The Pauline story only makes sense if Jesus was considered a Non-human entity.

The PAULINE Jesus did NOT DIE for OUR Sins if he was human and was seen Alive after he was crucified.

The Pauline writings are sources of fiction.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:45 PM   #643
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The history of mankind must be assembled from credible sources—Not the Gospels, Pauline writings and Acts of the Apostles.
For at least 17 years Paul supposedly preached “all over” the Roman Empire that Jesus Resurrected for the Sins of mankind yet simultaneously claimed He SAW that he and over 500 people Jesus alive.

The Pauline claims make NO sense.

And, even more absurd, Paul claimed he was a Jew and a Pharisee.

How in the world could a Jew and Pharisee convince people in the Roman Empire that a dead and buried man was ALIVE??
Why would Jews need a DEAD and yet seen ALIVE Jesus as a Sacrifice Before the Fall of the Temple c 70 CE??


The claim that Jesus was a Sacrifice is absolute Nonsense in Jewish tradition especially when the Temple was still standing.


The Pauline Jesus was a DEAD and LIVING Sacrifice—complete utter nonsense.
The Pauline Jesus SHED his BLOOD but still had BLOOD to LIVE again—what a Load of BS.
The Jews did NOT practise Human Sacrifice and did NOT worship men as Gods.
The Pauline Gospel is totally contrary to Jewish tradition.

The Pauline writings are historically and theologically bogus and were most likely not from the 1st century based on the Preponderance of evidence.

The Pauline simply did NOT understand or changed the Jesus story.
In the earliest Canonised Jesus story, the Jesus character was NOT a Human Sacrifice for Remission of Sins---the Jesus character merely conquered death.

In the Myth Fables called Gospels, The Jews attempted to have Jesus killed but after three days he resurrected—that is all.
The NT is a compilation of Myth Fables from the 2nd century or later based on the Preponderance of evidence.
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:55 AM   #644
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After having examined many apologetic and non-apologetic sources I will use the writings attributed to Justin Martyr as a fundamental source for history of the Jesus cult.

In Justin's "First Apology" it claimed Jesus was born WITHOUT sexual union.

Justin's Jesus did NOT exist.

If Justin's Jesus did NOT exist then I do NOT expect him to write about the Post-Ascension Activities of the supposed disciples.

Justin wrote NOTHING of the Activities of the supposed disciples and Saul/Paul.

Justin Martyr has Exposed that Acts of the Apostles and ALL the Epistles, Pauline and Non-Pauline, were INVENTED after the mid 2nd century.

And in addition, the actual recovered DATED manuscripts corroborate the writings attributed to Justin.

Justin Martyr also EXPOSED that the mention of Jesus as the Christ in Josephus are forgeries.

In "Dialogue with Trypho" Justin Admitted that the Jews did NOT acknowledge the advent of the Christ and did NOT know who he was.

Based on Justin, other Apologetic and Non-Apologetic sources with the Preponderance of evidence, the Jesus story and cult originated in the 2nd century some time around or between c 115-130 CE.
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The history of mankind must be assembled from credible sources--Not Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings.

We can deduce that all non-apologetic sources which mention a character called Jesus the Christ were manipulated.

Up to the mid 2nd century, Jews did NOT know of and had Not acknowledged a character called Jesus the Christ.

Examine the words of Trypho the Jew.

Dialogue with Trypho VIII
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But Christ--if He has indeed been born, and exists anywhere--is unknown, and does not even know Himself, and has no power until Elias come to anoint Him, and make Him manifest to all.

And you, having accepted a groundless report, invent a Christ for yourselves, and for his sake are inconsiderately perishing."
The Jesus cult of Christians was NOT started by a character called Jesus the Christ of Nazareth because he was Unknown.

Even in Acts of the Apostles, the Jesus cult started when the resurrected and ascended Jesus was a "million miles" from Galilee--when Jesus was in "heaven" and had sent the promise of the Holy Ghost to give the disciples the Power to preach the story of Jesus.

[b] It was the Holy Ghost that started the Jesus cult in the NT. See Acts 2[B]

All Christians of antiquity outside the Canonised Gospels ONLY heard a story of Jesus called Christ.

The Pauline writer HEARD a Jesus story.

The Pauline Jesus was Revealed--Not Seen.


Galatians 1
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15But when it pleased God....... To reveal his Son in me.........immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood..
1. Acts of the Apostles did NOT acknowledge the Pauline letters.

2. Aristides did NOT acknowledge Paul or the Pauline letters.

3. Justin Martyr did NOT acknowledge Paul and the Pauline letters.

4. The author of the Muratorian Canon claimed the Pauline letters were composed After Revelation by John.

5. The author of "Refutation Against All Heresies" claimed Marcion did NOT use the Pauline writings.

6. The author of "Against Celsus" claimed Celsus wrote Nothing about Paul.

7. No Pauline letters have been found and dated to the 1st century.

The Jesus story and Pauline writings are NOT historical accounts--the NT is a compilation of Myth Fables that were Believed by Christians of antiquity from the 2nd century or later.
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The biggest unsolved mystery remains the unresolved contradictions between parts of Galatians and Acts, whether the author each knew of the other or not.
Many issues can be "solved" with various types of arguments and evidence, but this one does not. Here we had people, councils and hierarchies who claimed a canon, who revered both texts, and who yet NEVER seem to care about the glaring contradictions staring them in the face from Galatians and Acts.
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There is NO mystery.

1. NT manuscripts and Codices have been found and dated to the 2nd century and later.

2. No Manuscripts have been found about Jesus, the disciples and Paul in the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

3. Non-Apologetic sources mentioned Christians in the 2nd century.

The Jesus story and cult originated in the 2nd century based on the abundance of evidence from antiquity.
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Please reread my posting. I was referring specifically to an unsolved mystery of the unresolved contradictions between ACTS and GALATIANS.

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There is NO mystery.

1. NT manuscripts and Codices have been found and dated to the 2nd century and later.

2. No Manuscripts have been found about Jesus, the disciples and Paul in the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

3. Non-Apologetic sources mentioned Christians in the 2nd century.

The Jesus story and cult originated in the 2nd century based on the abundance of evidence from antiquity.
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Please reread my posting. I was referring specifically to an unsolved mystery of the unresolved contradictions between ACTS and GALATIANS.
Again, there is NO mystery.

The author of Acts wrote Nothing of the Pauline letters.

Acts of the Apostles does NOT contain any of the Revealed Gospel of Paul.

Acts of the Apostles was most likely composed BEFORE the Pauline letters.

The Galatians author merely changed some accounts in the story of Acts.
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.....And no one could detect any contradictions worth resolving about the biography of "Paul" as described in the two stories in Acts versus Galatians....??

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Please reread my posting. I was referring specifically to an unsolved mystery of the unresolved contradictions between ACTS and GALATIANS.
Again, there is NO mystery.

The author of Acts wrote Nothing of the Pauline letters.

Acts of the Apostles does NOT contain any of the Revealed Gospel of Paul.

Acts of the Apostles was most likely composed BEFORE the Pauline letters.

The Galatians author merely changed some accounts in the story of Acts.
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