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Old 07-10-2008, 02:31 PM   #121
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THIS (not your personal opinion) is what I have been questioning; ie, WHICH SOME BELIEVE SO.
Because there's no evidence of tampering. Innocent until proven guilty applies in all walks of my life; if you'd like to prove something to me, come to me with solid reasoning for it. Don't just tell me that literature was guarded by Christians in those days so it "must" have been tampered with.

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If you believe that some (scholars? Laymen? aliens) think that the TF is 100 percent authentic, then please provide evidence of this.
Why do I have to provide evidence that the literature is true? Isn't it the other way around?
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Old 07-10-2008, 02:32 PM   #122
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If you don't mind, I'll let STC translate it for you. After all, he's the one claiming expertise and superior knowledge on matters Josephan.

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can you quote me on that?
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Old 07-10-2008, 02:33 PM   #123
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STC, did you notice that my post #112 was addressed to Jeff, not you (or are you a Jeff too?). you are welcome to answer it, but it really wasn't in opposition to your points.

Jeff, I know you supplied the quote, but we don't read greek. Just post the translation for us plebians, thanks. Let' not make things harder than they have to be. I'm another non-believer and sorry, I missed the translation if you posted it.

Everyone - I'm afraid I'll be gone camping for the weekend. Unless I discover an internet tree, I'll see y'all next week.><

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I know... I wanted to answer your claim, that's all

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Old 07-10-2008, 02:34 PM   #124
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What happened to "I will gladly provide my sources"?

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I qualified it by asking for the relevance. Since you refuse to post any arguments in English, as you must know full well that the vast majority of us don't read Greek, I've yet to see said relevance.
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Old 07-10-2008, 02:39 PM   #125
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If you don't mind, I'll let STC translate it for you. After all, he's the one claiming expertise and superior knowledge on matters Josephan.

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can you quote me on that?
So we shouldn't take anything you say about Josephus and what he says, and why others who have made counter claims to yours about him are wrong, seriously?

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Old 07-10-2008, 02:39 PM   #126
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Why do I have to provide evidence that the literature is true? Isn't it the other way around?
No it's not.

I think I am repeating myself. Christian apologists have imagined that there is a rule that says that ancient documents are presumed correct or intact unless there is evidence to the contrary. There is no such rule, and historians do not operate that way.

May I suggest that you slow down? This thread is a massive waste of time because you post numerous short statements, often with just an emotional reaction to another post, and, so far, have refused to give any citations for your sources.

It would help if you gave a complete justification for what you are saying: you believe that Jesus existed because there are sources A, B, C, D, validated by historians X,Y,Z, - or something concrete.

Does this make sense?
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What happened to "I will gladly provide my sources"?

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I qualified it by asking for the relevance. Since you refuse to post any arguments in English, as you must know full well that the vast majority of us don't read Greek, I've yet to see said relevance.
Dodge three. Misrepresentation ("I qualified it") one.

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Old 07-10-2008, 02:42 PM   #128
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I qualified it by asking for the relevance. Since you refuse to post any arguments in English, as you must know full well that the vast majority of us don't read Greek, I've yet to see said relevance.
Dodge three. Misrepresentation ("I qualified it") one.

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We can play this game all night, but until you show me the relevant need, you're just going to be left playing Mr. Intellectually Superior To All Of You on your own.
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can you quote me on that?
So we shouldn't take anything you say about Josephus and what he says, and why others who have made counter claims to yours about him are wrong, seriously?

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Really? I'm either fluent in Greek and the world's premier Josephan scholar or I've never heard of the guy?
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Old 07-10-2008, 02:44 PM   #130
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No it's not.

I think I am repeating myself. Christian apologists have imagined that there is a rule that says that ancient documents are presumed correct or intact unless there is evidence to the contrary. There is no such rule, and historians do not operate that way.
We have documents. You say they're not genuine. Let's hear why. It's that simple.

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No, your unapproachable intellect makes my red-state head spin. I'd bettah go check on the chilluns and get suppah reddy.
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