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beanpie · 12-26-2003, 01:34 PM

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beanpie, if you wish to be taken seriously, you should research the information you are being fed by the Nation of Islam

I researched ALL this info. I uncovered it, ON MY OWN. COMPLETLY INDEPENDENT of the N.O.I.

catalyst · 12-26-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by beanpie
THE LAST INFO I POSTED WAS BY A NATIVE AMERIACN .

It was NOT from a N.O.I. site.

You are certainly free to "take it or, leave it alone".

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All right, I am Native American, and I say we were not influenced by the Muslim faith.

This has about the same effect, yes?

beanpie · 12-26-2003, 02:03 PM

Even YOU, are most certainly free to, "take it or, leave it alone".

Viti · 12-26-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by beanpie
I researched ALL this info. I uncovered it, ON MY OWN. COMPLETLY INDEPENDENT of the N.O.I.

Where is the link or citation for the article?

beanpie · 12-26-2003, 02:25 PM

http://www.islamworld.net/rim.html

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beanpie. You cannot copy and paste whole articles without citations. You know this, you have been told this.

http://www.islamworld.net/rim.html

http://home.att.net/~kgmowla/redind.html

http://www.maschicago.org/youth/libr..._red_roots.htm

etc.

Viti · 12-26-2003, 02:47 PM

It seems as if you are not here to discuss these issues or the implications, beanpie, but rather to post articles confirming your bias.

What are YOUR thoughts on these? What about the links I posted to the mentioned treaties and how they did not match up with what the author of your article was claiming?

What exactly are you hoping for here? That we'll just say..."oh, there's an article...must be correct"? That isn't going to happen...please, post a question or opinion of your own so we can actually have a discussion on these topics.

beanpie · 12-26-2003, 03:03 PM

Medina, WA
http://www.ci.medina.wa.us/

Medina, OH
http://www.medinahomepage.com/

Medina, Minnesota
http://www.ci.medina.mn.us/

Medina, New York
http://www.medina-ny.com/

"... Before the flight (Hegira) of Muhammad from Mecca to the city in 622, Medina was called Yathrib..."
http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/world/A0832491.html

now, WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE THESE AMERICAN CITIES, WERE NAMED AFTER A CITY LOCATED IN SAUDI ARABIA?

Hazel-rah · 12-26-2003, 03:09 PM

Beanpie, I live in Georgia, where there is a Rome, an Athens, a Dublin, a Cairo and a Geneva. Does that mean ancient Romans visited Georgia, or ancient Greeks? Or that the native tribes here worshipped Zeus or Horus?

And from one of the sites you lists (Medina, WI):

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In 1891, Mr. T. L. Dabney built the first landing in Medina on what later became known as Dabney Point. The landing was directly across from the Leschi Park landing and it became the main crossing point for settlers to enter "the Points Country". As the community around the landing began to increase, local residents wanted to give it a distinct name. A community meeting was held and three women were appointed to select a name for the community. Mrs. Flora Beloti's choice was the name selected. She had decided on the name "Medeena", after the celebrated Arabian city. Dabney was offended, he wanted it named "Floridine". Consequently, he built a large "Floridine" sign and placed it in the water beside the landing. The next evening when he came home from working in Seattle, he found his sign had been replaced by a "Medeena" sign. He promptly took it down and put his sign back up. This feud continued for several days, with Dabney replacing the "Medeena" sign each evening when he would return from work. The ladies prevailed. Dabney eventually tired and left the "Medeena" sign up.

beanpie · 12-26-2003, 03:14 PM

"There are many documents, treaties, legislation and resolutions that
were passed between 1600s and 1800s that show that Muslims were in
fact here and were very active in the comunities in which they lived.
Treaties such as Peace and Friendship that was signed on the Delaware
River in the year 1787 bear the signatures of Abdel-Khak and Muhammad
Ibn Abdullah. This treaty detailes our continued right to exist as a
community in the areas of commerce, maritime shipping, current form
of government at that time which was in accordance with Islam"

this is spoken as a "Muslim", not as a "Native American".

beanpie · 12-26-2003, 03:23 PM

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Beanpie, I live in Georgia, where there is a Rome, an Athens, a Dublin, a Cairo and a Geneva. Does that mean ancient Romans visited Georgia, or ancient Greeks? Or that the native tribes here worshipped Zeus or Horus?

No but, they were named after these cities. My question was why , NAME certain cities Medina ?

12-26-2003, 03:03 PM	#27
beanpie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: voston Posts: 699	MEDINA Medina, WA http://www.ci.medina.wa.us/ Medina, OH http://www.medinahomepage.com/ Medina, Minnesota http://www.ci.medina.mn.us/ Medina, New York http://www.medina-ny.com/ "... Before the flight (Hegira) of Muhammad from Mecca to the city in 622, Medina was called Yathrib..." http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/world/A0832491.html now, WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE THESE AMERICAN CITIES, WERE NAMED AFTER A CITY LOCATED IN SAUDI ARABIA?

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12-26-2003, 02:03 PM	#23
beanpie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: voston Posts: 699	Even YOU, are most certainly free to, "take it or, leave it alone".

12-26-2003, 02:47 PM	#26
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	It seems as if you are not here to discuss these issues or the implications, beanpie, but rather to post articles confirming your bias. What are YOUR thoughts on these? What about the links I posted to the mentioned treaties and how they did not match up with what the author of your article was claiming? What exactly are you hoping for here? That we'll just say..."oh, there's an article...must be correct"? That isn't going to happen...please, post a question or opinion of your own so we can actually have a discussion on these topics.

12-26-2003, 03:14 PM	#29
beanpie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: voston Posts: 699	"There are many documents, treaties, legislation and resolutions that were passed between 1600s and 1800s that show that Muslims were in fact here and were very active in the comunities in which they lived. Treaties such as Peace and Friendship that was signed on the Delaware River in the year 1787 bear the signatures of Abdel-Khak and Muhammad Ibn Abdullah. This treaty detailes our continued right to exist as a community in the areas of commerce, maritime shipping, current form of government at that time which was in accordance with Islam" this is spoken as a "Muslim", not as a "Native American".

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