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Old 09-07-2003, 08:16 PM   #91
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I take it from this that you are saying my great-grandmother was "without a life". What does that mean. As an unbeliever, I don't believe she's in hell. But I believe that you think she's there.

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Your great-grandmother died and couldn't go anyplace because she was dead and as an unbeliever you should know that dead people can't go places. I don't think they can but you insists that I think she is in hell and wonder why you would even suggest that?
 
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My point is that you can get to heaven as Jew but not into heaven as Jew and therefore Judas, who stands for Judaism (or is Judaism personified), must be annihilated. Later the missing apostel is replaced by Matthias which means that Joseph the ex Jew returned to religion as Freeman and did whatever he did for the Church.
Amos, I am resigning from this exchange. I realize that you and I are not communicating in the same language. Whatever your belief system really is, I find it impossible to interpret as your posts have no logical consistencey.

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Amos, I am resigning from this exchange. I realize that you and I are not communicating in the same language. Whatever your belief system really is, I find it impossible to interpret as your posts have no logical consistencey.

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Hi Dave, in my belief system dead people get burried and don't go anyplace after that.

If a Jew is destined to go to heaven Judaism must be annihilated in the mind of that particular Jew because there are no churches in heaven (no temples in the New Jerusalem).

What may trouble you here is that if heaven is to be enjoyed while we are alive hell must also be endured when we are alive because neither can be conceived to exist without the other.
 
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Hi Dave, in my belief system dead people get burried and don't go anyplace after that.
But also, in your "belief system", Jesus' genealogy according to Matthew was written before Jesus was even born...

So maybe you're just a Troll.

I wonder if Trolls have any beliefs.

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Old 09-08-2003, 11:32 AM   #95
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Matt. 1:1 it tells us that it was from a record and 1:18 explains how it came about. Is there something wrong with this and how can you argue with that?
 
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Yuri:

Having had his theory dismantled a few pages ago he apparently feels he can restate it without anyone noticing.

Basically, he reads in whatever he wants in texts and the posts of others. He ignores anything else.

He is a waste of time.

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Old 09-08-2003, 12:14 PM   #97
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What else is there to say? I explained the obvious reason why it states that Matthew was recorded and why Luke was given to us just after Jesus could see far into the Thousand Year Reign (the descend of the Dove means exactly that).

If I am a waste of time put me on your ignore list and that would solve the problem for you.
 
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While one might hope that declaring a delusion and misreading of a text--at best--is "obvious," unfortunately the world just does not work that way.

One may also hope such attempts at misinformation go ignored by those who actually read the texts.

No sir!

One has to consider the commonweal of the Noble Readership. What gentleman could sit idle, surfing for pictures of Madonna and Britany, whilst the Great Unwashed attempts to delude them with misinformation!

No sir! [Cue Pomp and Circumstances--Ed.]

It is noblese obligue . . . a sense of chivarly . . . or, barring that, bushidõ--which would add the useful concept of decapitating the Great Unwashed--ah . . . for the "good ol' days"--that compels gentleman to STAND, put away their porn, and defend against such attempts to poison the Sewage Treatment Plant of Knowledge.

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While one might hope that declaring a delusion and misreading of a text--at best--is "obvious," unfortunately the world just does not work that way.


I know, the world sure is still flat and we should all be glad that philosophy allows us to break such barriers.
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One may also hope such attempts at misinformation go ignored by those who actually read the texts.


If we would all read it the same it probably would not be worth reading.
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One has to consider the commonweal of the Noble Readership. What gentleman could sit idle, surfing for pictures of Madonna and Britany, whilst the Great Unwashed attempts to delude them with misinformation!


That's profound and reminds me of the call to the wedding banquet.
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It is noblese obligue . . . a sense of chivarly . . . or, barring that, bushidõ--which would add the useful concept of decapitating the Great Unwashed--ah . . . for the "good ol' days"--that compels gentleman to STAND, put away their porn, and defend against such attempts to poison the Sewage Treatment Plant of Knowledge.

--J.D.
Well, once you have figured out if the Gosples were written in Greek, Spanish, French or any other language you can think of, you must direct the attention of your Sewage Treatment Plant towards the true meaning of the words and then we shall try to communicate again.
 
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Had already been done.

That one chooses to ignore it remains his problem.

As noted, previously, one may wish to see "Romeo and Julian" the great Elizabethan homoerotic play; however, Shakespeare did not actually write it that way.

Perchance it is a vile residue of "new criticism" to believe that the authors, context, and all of that never matters--it is what the reader thinks. That is certainly easier, but easier also means lazy and misinformed. Nevertheless, when a reader insists on demanding others share in his misreadings it borders on a dishonesty that would make a miscreant blush.

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