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The thread began with somebody purporting to demonstrate the reverse (that is, that we can be sure that no reliable historical information can be extracted). My purpose has been to argue that the grounds advanced for that conclusion on this thread have been inadequate. If we agree that that conclusion has not, in fact, been adequately demonstrated, and that the question must therefore be regarded as an open one, I don't see that as an impasse.
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The analogy with the Church of the Jedi and with Scientology is also inadequate. To the extent that the Church of the Jedi actually functions as a real religion (which is debateable), it does so not just because Lucas made up the original story of the Jedi, but because real people deliberately and intentionally launched it as a movement. And no matter what they may say for dramatic or recreational purposes, both you and I know that they don't believe in the historical accuracy of the Jedi stories. In not quite the same way, Scientology as a religious movement got started because Hubbard intentionally and deliberately sought to recruit people to it, and to convince them that the stories were true. So far as you've outlined it, your story doesn't match either of these. As for saying the story 'from there' is 'the same as any HJ model', that may convey a clear meaning to you, but it doesn't to me. Still not enough details for me to have any clear idea of what you're suggesting. |
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With your rationale, unless you can account for every single animal in the world, unicorns may exist, since unicorns are animals. And in addition, from your posts, you have not made one single point or put forward any information, extra-biblical or from the bible itself, to support an argument for historicty in english or french. Your claim is that Jesus the Christ may have been a real person because you believe it is possible, regardless of the fictitious nature of the NT, and this claim can be maintained unsupported. |
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This is incredible story, unadulterated fiction, claims that devils or unclean spirits can be drowned, maybe these devils have lungs! Please contact your critically-minded NT scholars for further explanation. |
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My claim is that the arguments you have put forward are not logically valid arguments. Do you understand what that means? |
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Can you name any exorcisms that really occured in the NT, performed by Jesus the Christ in the 1st century? |
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If you understand the premise, and are willing to entertain it, then it would be possible to move onto what we might expect to find from a period work of religious fiction written by a Hellenistic Jew, or Greek very familiar with Judaism. But I'm tired of it. So I conceed whatever points get me out of this discussion. Thanks for your time. |
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