Mageth

Ha. Like I said, though, there are only smart arses in my family tree.

And be careful, there...my father is a pastor, my mom a pastor's daughter. God might flood your house...

Ellis14

Meaningless. You're invented your notion of God to suit your current argument. You yourself have previously said that God cannot perform the logically impossible. The flood myth contradicts itself, natural law, scientific law, and common sense. No matter what possible miracles your God might have he cannot make the impossible happen. He could have created a massive ark, he could have filled the earth with water, but not the ark in the flood myth and not the way the bible describes it. You are forgetting that we are not saying that God is at fault, but the bible is. The ark story does create a paradox because it cannot be true.

If you maintain that the illogical is possible simply because the bible says so, then you abandon any point of logic and reason, and any argument you propose is automatically self-refuting, not for the least reason, because I can say "because I said so" and expect THAT to be a good enough argument.

I sincerely hope you can see the flaw in your own position so hopefully we can proceed further.

The use of the term natural here is irrelevant. Can God make a square circular? Can God make blue, red? No. These are natural logical impossibilities, imposed on God by the rules of logic coherent with existence, even his own. Omnipotent does not mean being able to do the impossible. Don't you see this?

Doctor X

How some will believe in falsity most absurd to save a lie.

--J.D.

Magus55

Why can't it be true? God could have created you 5 minutes ago. He told us how He created the world, and what happened. Just because science doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean God couldn't do it. God is not bound by science.


Is there a need to proceed? I believe in Genesis, you don't. There is no where to proceed to. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. You can think i'm stupid or uneducated all you want, if that makes you feel superior. I trust God, you trust science.

You're right, omnipotent doesn't mean able to do the impossible. But science can't actually prove for a fact, that God couldn't have created the present world and flood. 200 years ago, traveling to the moon would have been considered mythical or fantasy. You don't know for a fact that new evidence won't reveal itself and show the error of your ways. Scientists have been rejecting the claims in the Bible for hundreds of years, but every new archaeological discovery related to it, just proves its truth.

Marduk

Strangely I think Magus is right, if an omnipotent God wanted to make a 450 foot wooden boat, or a paper boat for that matter, and fill it with a billion pounds of animals in some sort of weird state of suspended animation, and float it in trillions of tons of water he created by snapping his fingers and then making it disappear when he was through with it, I suppose he could. IOW�s it is a silly thing to argue about if you are dealing with a being that can supposedly do whatever he friggin wants. Think Q on Star Trek, I bet he could do it.

JCS

Yes, but what is the payoff? I can understand why a televangelist would cling to such absurdities with profit margins being what they are, by what is in it for the everyday joe? The hope that he can spend eternity singing praises to a tyrant? Can they even conceptualize what or how long eternity is? I love my wife but after 26 years of bliss we can get on each others nerves, imagine what it would feel like after the first several hundred trillion years. :banghead:

JCS

Every? Even the one's that don't? How's that work?

Mageth

Well, sure, he could, but why go to all that trouble? Why not just zap all those people he wanted to get rid of into non-existence, leaving Noah & Co. sitting high and dry? No need to kill all the animals that way; much cleaner, less engineering, and leaves less room for the technical difficulties in the recorded story as illustrated on this thread.

Magus55

What if time has no meaning in Heaven? The concept of eternity wouldn't exist. You would just be living life to the epitome of fullfillment without worrying what time or day it is.

winstonjen

Archaeology can prove that the cities mentioned in the bible existed, but not whether or not the actual events depicted in the bible occured.