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Magus55 · 11-12-2003, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by RED DAVE
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No he won't, and no we won't.

RED DAVE

Yes he will, and while some won't, many will.

Magus55 · 11-12-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by CJD
Coming from one who does not think the Scriptures teach that the rapture is imminent, my answer might prove unsatisfactory.

The rapture is simply that event which occurs precisely at the time of the Return of the King (yes, I am waiting for December, too).

I know that in popular xianity, Christians see themselves as "replacing" Israel. This is not, however, the picture we see in Scripture. What we see there is "ingrafting," i.e., "adoption" into the chosen family of God. "To the Jew first and then to the Greek," etc. However, some have been cut off, indeed, "not all Israel is true Israel," & co. Christianity is thus the continuation of, not the replacement of . . .

Read this carefully before responding, you bigots, and otherwise ignoble race-baiting mooncalves.

Regards,

CJD

Think it was the Catholic church that created replacement theology. The CC is replacing the Jews in their eyes, which i completely disagree with.

livius drusus · 11-12-2003, 11:18 AM

Gentlemen, please. "No we won't. Yes you will" is hardly quality discussion. Never mind the predicitions and stick to the exegesis.

mark9950 · 11-17-2003, 08:42 PM

Sorry the rapture is for only jews that are virgin males please read revelation.

If anyone is married and have kids you are not raptured.

Dream on magus.

Magus55 · 11-17-2003, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by mark9950
Sorry the rapture is for only jews that are virgin males please read revelation.

If anyone is married and have kids you are not raptured.

Dream on magus.

I thought you were formerly Christian? If so, you must have never read or studied the Bible, if you seriously think the Jews in Revelation have anything to do with the Rapture.

And as an aside, if I weren't gonna be Raptured, i would fit the criteria for the 144,000 in Revelation. So

long winded fool · 11-17-2003, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by lunachick
How does the Rapture take into account that "God's chosen people" are not Christian, and therefore won't be Raptured?

How does Christianity reconcile itself with this? They believe that God said the only way to him is through Christ, and only true Christians will be raptured. And yet, it's the definitely-non-Christian Jews who are God's chosen people.

So, what gives?

There would be no real difference between a Jew and a Christian from a New Testament point of view. Magus55 hit it on the head. Jesus was Jewish in both lineage and beleif. He was, according to the NT, the perfect Jew. Modern day Judaism would be a false off-shoot of true Judaism, despite having the same label and being of semitic heritage. Christianity would be the "true" Judaism because it never turned away from God's only son and therefore Christians would be the only true chosen even if they are not descended from the tribe of Judah.

ieyeasu · 11-18-2003, 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by mark9950
Sorry the rapture is for only jews that are virgin males please read revelation.

If anyone is married and have kids you are not raptured.

Dream on magus.

That's correct. 144,000 sealed, from the twelve tribes.

CJD · 11-18-2003, 06:01 AM

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Magus wrote:
Think it was the Catholic church that created replacement theology. The CC is replacing the Jews in their eyes, which i completely disagree with.

As a Dispensationalist, I assumed you would. But what I am saying here is that there is a functional and permissible distinction between me and you in the Church of Jesus Christ ("To the Jew first and then to the Greek"; "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath"). This distinction, however, is not essential ("There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female . . .," etc.); God's family is wholistic. The distinction is a result of the Messiah's ushering in the kingdom but not yet fully. The distinction will not carry over into some literal 1000 year reign from a plot of land in the Middle East, for that time is now, and besides, the entire (re-newed) earth is the inheritance of all those who are hid with Christ in God.

Pax in Christo,

CJD

EstherRose · 11-19-2003, 02:46 AM

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How does the Rapture take into account that "God's chosen people" are not Christian, and therefore won't be Raptured?

How does Christianity reconcile itself with this? They believe that God said the only way to him is through Christ, and only true Christians will be raptured. And yet, it's the definitely-non-Christian Jews who are God's chosen people.

Romans 2
9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11For God does not show favoritism.

Christians do not believe that we have superceded the Jews, only that they need to accept Jesus. There is a distinction. Ask yourselves, in the Old Testament, was every Jew considered in God�s favor? No, not when they erred and sinned. Therefore the Jews who refuse to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior will also not be in God�s favor.

11-12-2003, 11:18 AM	#13
livius drusus Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Selva Oscura Posts: 4,120	Magus and RED DAVE Gentlemen, please. "No we won't. Yes you will" is hardly quality discussion. Never mind the predicitions and stick to the exegesis.

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mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Sorry the rapture is for only jews that are virgin males please read revelation. If anyone is married and have kids you are not raptured. Dream on magus.

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