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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic
Message to Gamera: If the universe was created by an intelligent being, what evidence do you have that that being is the God of the Bible? It seems to me that if a supernatural being inspired the writing of the Bible, we do not know whether or not he created the universe, and whether or not he revealed his true intentions. Any notions one way or the other would be mere speculation and guesswork.
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Originally Posted by Gamera
Message to Johnny: I have no such evidence and never claimed it, as I've repeated about ten times. If there were evidence of God, there would be no need for faith. There is no evidence of God or that God inspired the Christian and Hebrews texts. That's not what Christianity is about. Christianity is about the gospel, which is a challenge to examine who we are in relationship to ourselves and God. It offers no "evidence" and I am unclear what that evidence would be in any case and what good it would be. That's like addressing an audience who just enjoyed Hamlet and asking, what evidence is there that Hamlet existed? The answer is who cares -- Hamlet is a meaningful play. Similarly, the gospel is meaningful and that's all that matters.
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That is not true. An inspired writing is not of any use unless it actually represents the true views and intentions of the being who inspired it. Evil humans have written books that are meaningful to some people, but their books do not reveal their true intentions. If an intelligent being created the universe, he may or may not have revealed his true intentions to humans. He is not obligated to do so if he does not wish to do so. Maybe he hasn’t, maybe he will after humans die, and maybe he never will. To assume that any of the three is the case is speculation and guesswork. You are but a mere human, and yet you presume to know the intent and capablities of supernatural beings. This is quite ridiculous.
In the KJV, Psalms 19:1 says "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." In the KJV, John 3:2 says "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him." In the NIV, Acts 14:3 says "So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders." How do you interpret those verses?
09-11-2006, 08:52 AM
The Bible is Not Inerrant: A Talkorigins Rebuttal
