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Spaz · 03-03-2005, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bible Thumper

Imagine a world ruled by Nazi's. Everyone's enslaved. Many starve to death in camps. Would you, being under current enslavement, curse God? Now, suppose God destroys the Nazi's. What would you do? Curse, or offer praise that God destroyed the sinful man? Well?

Maybe that's the problem, see, God didn't kill the Nazi's, the Allied powers did. If it wasn't for that group of people they would have continued their genocide. That's how it works in real life.

Sorry to continue the off-topicness.

Spanish_Inquisitor · 03-03-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TySixtus

Okay, now watch this. Plants bearing fruit require sunlight. While you are right that there are some 'plants' that don't require sunlight, they also don't 'bear fruit'. So you can't have it both ways.

You say god already created light. Well, see here is the problem. "Light" comes from these things out in space called "stars". It's really long and complicated but trust me on this: stars had to come first. Ergo, this shit is out of order.

So either god 'created' light twice, first as an ambiguous entity and then as a product of stars or...... (wait for it!)....

None of this shit ever happened!

Ty

Maybe he created the plants on the third day, knowing he was going to create light the next day, figuring they'd last a day. Hey, coulda happened. :huh:

Of course, that assumes a seven day Creation Week. He couldn't wait millions of years for the sun to come up. Those plants woulda died and become ... umm...fossils.

SI

Weltall · 03-03-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bible Thumper

Genesis, as opposed to pagans, romans, grecians and even scientists up to the 20th century, has proven to be an accuurate accounting of Creation!

In order to avoid treading on already mentioned ground, here's one new question to consider: Are you aware of the evolutionary history of cetaceans, yes or no? If yes, how can you possibly make the above statement with a straight face?

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Why do you and people like you have such a hard time with that?

Because we're members of the reality-based community, not the fantasy-based community like you?

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Can't you just go back tot he link I supplied? It mirrors everything Earth scientists and Cosmologists have said, and reflects clearly my knowledge, as well!

Indeed it mirrors a profound ignorance, but that probably wasn't the point you thought you were making.

Dragon · 03-03-2005, 08:01 PM

The link isn't working for me. God must hate his own supporters.

unassimilated · 03-03-2005, 08:12 PM

God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. The last time I checked the moon was not a light, Only a reflection. Poor goat herder`s couldn`t tell the difference! :rolling:

Spaz · 03-03-2005, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by unassimilated

God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. The last time I checked the moon was not a light, Only a reflection. Poor goat herder`s couldn`t tell the difference! :rolling:

Not to mention that the sun and other stars are the same thing just one's closer than the rest.

LeeBuhrul · 03-03-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bible Thumper

Amen. God makes it His will and desire to destroy the sinful man He created!

Imagine a world ruled by Nazi's. Everyone's enslaved. Many starve to death in camps. Would you, being under current enslavement, curse God? Now, suppose God destroys the Nazi's. What would you do? Curse, or offer praise that God destroyed the sinful man? Well?

That TBT is the most incoherent assembly of words in the english language i have seen in quite a while...

I would not curse god for the nazis because i'd rather engage in more fruitful endevours than blaming an imaginary deity for anything... that's externalizing guilt and responsibility... i'd rather think (yeah i know that's a foreign concept to some) about why nazis came to power and from that figure out how to defeat them... without wasting my time, life or anyone elses's in a fruitless wait for interference by a supernatural being that if indeed real should have not allowed nazis into power in the first place...

then, once the nazis were defeated i'd look at all the ways to prevent that from happening again which would no doubt include stronger separation of church and state and stronger secular institutions...

PS - your post is also a distortion of scripture since according to it your gos did indeed destroy people regardless of guilt... in other words I as an innocent bystander in your scenarion would not have been around to thnk or not thank anyone since i would have also been destroyed

Spenser · 03-03-2005, 08:34 PM

Is this a good time to pipe in with:

<Edited. No, it's not.>

Just wondering...

_Naturalist_ · 03-03-2005, 10:06 PM

And why is it better to trust a millennia-old book of myths written during an era when they knew just the tiniest fraction of what we know today, instead of modern science? This doesn't add up, and I'm sure you know it. And that is why I am seriously starting to doubt that you're nothing but an atheist (or similar) trying to be funny.

regis · 03-03-2005, 11:25 PM

AgentSmith: I am seriously starting to doubt that you're nothing but an atheist (or similar) trying to be funny.

I think that a lot of wannabe theists, without knowing it, can become quite 'funny'. Especially when, year after year, science reveals how preposterous their dogmas are. If one has invested one's time, energy, and life in something that is increasingly impossible to defend logically, one would probably resort to increasingly hysteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerical defenses. It stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiil doesn't matter, however; holding down keys or not, one would stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil be just as wrong.

:devil1:

03-03-2005, 08:34 PM	#58
Spenser Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Don't you wish your boy friend got drunk like me, Posts: 7,808	Does this thread really have a point? Is this a good time to pipe in with: <Edited. No, it's not.> Just wondering...

03-03-2005, 11:25 PM	#60
regis Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: calgary, ab Posts: 690	funny atheists AgentSmith: I am seriously starting to doubt that you're nothing but an atheist (or similar) trying to be funny. I think that a lot of wannabe theists, without knowing it, can become quite 'funny'. Especially when, year after year, science reveals how preposterous their dogmas are. If one has invested one's time, energy, and life in something that is increasingly impossible to defend logically, one would probably resort to increasingly hysteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerical defenses. It stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiil doesn't matter, however; holding down keys or not, one would stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil be just as wrong. :devil1:

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03-03-2005, 08:01 PM	#54
Dragon Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: CA Posts: 1,279	The link isn't working for me. God must hate his own supporters.

03-03-2005, 08:12 PM	#55
unassimilated Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Some where in the space-time continuum Posts: 131	God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. The last time I checked the moon was not a light, Only a reflection. Poor goat herder`s couldn`t tell the difference! :rolling:

03-03-2005, 10:06 PM	#59
_Naturalist_ Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,914	And why is it better to trust a millennia-old book of myths written during an era when they knew just the tiniest fraction of what we know today, instead of modern science? This doesn't add up, and I'm sure you know it. And that is why I am seriously starting to doubt that you're nothing but an atheist (or similar) trying to be funny.

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