Duvduv

Then IF the Jesus of GMark was not the davidic messiah (or atoning savior) to the author of GMark, then just WHO was this Jesus character who is featured so big in an entire gospel and what is his actual role as far as the original author of GMark is concerned??!

aa5874

In the short gMark story Jesus looked LIKE an ordinary person to the OUTSIDERS but in the Night he was WALKING on water in the presence of the Insiders.

Mark 6:48 KJVIn the short gMark story Jesus looked LIKE an ordinary Guy to the Outsiders but up in the mountain with the Insiders he was TRANSFIGURING with the resurrected Moses and Elijah.

Mark 9

aa5874

Please, read the story in the short gMark.

In the short gMark Jesus story, Jesus PUBLICLY declared for the first time he was the Son of the Blessed and the Christ at the trial with the Sanhedrin and was Rejected and KILLED hours later.

Who was the short gMark Jesus???

Mark 3:11 KJVMark 5:7 KJVMark 15:39 KJV The short gMark Jesus story had NOTHING to do with Salvation by the Crucifixion.

So how would people be SAVED based on the short gMark???

JoeWallack

JW:
Run away (from the more general position that there was nothing in Jewish writings about a suffering/humiliated King)! That killer Rabbi is dynamite.

A suffering/humiliated King appealing to God to be vindicated in front of his enemies is all over the Psalms like Bain on a bad Company with a good over funded Pension.

Crucifixion was the context of Paul's time, not the Jewish Bible's, so why is not finding this expression of Passion there ReMarkable?


Joseph

aa5874

The crucifixion was gJohn's time but the Resurrection was the Context of Paul's time.

The Pauline theology is LATER than gJohn which is later than gMark..

The Pauline theology is Past the crucifixion and based on the Resurrection.

Examine gMark 8.31, gJohn 3.16 and Romans 10.9.

Mark 8:31John 3:16 Romans 10:9 We can see the Evolution of the Jesus story from gMark to gJohn to Paul.

gMark--Rejection by the crucifixion.

gJohn-Salvation by the crucifixion.

Paul--Salvation by the Resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:17

outhouse

someone for romans to worship, free health care, someone who took all your evil away for the asking.

aa5874

Come on, outhouse!!! What Roman Emperor and Roman citizens would worship a known DEAD Jewish man who did NOT pay his taxes who hanged like a dog on a cross???

outhouse, your inventions do not make much sense. You are all over the place.

aa5874

The short gMark story is the MOST significant Jesus story and we can see that is was the MOST influential Jesus story in the Canon.

We have THREE Jesus stories that are virtually 100% identical and was copied almost word-for-word.

The long gMark is virtually the same as the short gMark from beginning to end except for the last 12 verses.

The long gMark author did NOT use a single sentence from any other source from Jesus leaving Nazareth to the Empty tomb.

The long gMark is evidence AGAINST Early Pauline writings.

The author of the long gMark does NOT appear to have attended a Pauline church or have read or heard Paul.

Nothing in the long gMark emulates the Pauline writings.

The author of long gMark appears to ONLY knew of the short gMark or another later source with 12 additional verses.

The short gMark has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Salvation by Sacrifice as stated in gJohn or Remission of Sins by the resurrection as stated in the Pauline letter.

The short gMark is a story about the REJECTION and KILLING of Jesus the Son of God.

Sinaiticus gMark 8

Duvduv

If the author of GMark didn't believe in the need for a davidic Messiah then that would mean he interpreted the relevant verses differently.
But then why does he affirm that Elijah came before Jesus which is only relevant to the davidic messiah? Apparently the author of Mark considered the Son of Man the messiah although he is rather ambiguous about it in those verses. The Son of Man, whoever he is, must suffer, AND "they " are allowed to do whatever they wish to Elijah, whatever that means.
It is only these three verses that even connect the Son of Man to the Messiah, and only to Jesus ambiguously.

aa5874

Please read short gMark.

Sinaiticus gMark
Sinaiticus gMark 14 There is NO ambiguity. The author of the short gMark story did write that his Jesus was the Christ.

The INSIDERS knew Jesus was the Christ but NOT the OUTSIDERS.

The author of short gMark wrote for the first time about INSIDE information that the OUTSIDERS did NOT know some time after the Fall of the Temple.