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Old 12-06-2004, 08:08 PM   #41
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The letters of Pilate are also known to be forgeries.
If you can get me a source for that one it would help me out alot in a debate I'm in.

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Wiki is always fun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate
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Old 12-07-2004, 05:11 AM   #43
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I think many people don't really appreciate how many Latin works are in fact "lost" and not just because of Rome burning but do not understand the anarchy that followed the end of the Roman Empire.
Just two examples of missing works the historian Livy wrote a comprehensive history of Rome in Ab Urbe Condita which consisted of 142 books only 35 of which now survive .
Pompeius Trogus another historian wrote a history of Rome in 44 books all of which no longer exist
These are just the tip of a very large iceberg.
If these works which would have been extremely inportant to Rome are lost, I am not all surprised that details of the trial of someone who may have just been seen at the time as a local troublemaker would also disappear.
In fact at times it is amazing how much has in fact survived the period we quite rightly call theb Dark Ages
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If these works which would have been extremely inportant to Rome are lost, I am not all surprised that details of the trial of someone who may have just been seen at the time as a local troublemaker would also disappear.
In fact at times it is amazing how much has in fact survived the period we quite rightly call theb Dark Ages
“And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.� (KJV Matt. 4:23-25)

What’s amazing is those Romans didn’t induct Jesus into their pantheon and stick a giant statue of him right in the middle of The Pantheon in Rome.
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What’s amazing is those Romans didn’t induct Jesus into their pantheon and stick a giant statue of him right in the middle of The Pantheon in Rome.
Yes I agree that it's very odd that
I keep thinking about the story of the feeding of the 5,000 and how come there weren't an immediate 5,000 converts, funny how you never hear about them again after that event.
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What’s amazing is those Romans didn’t induct Jesus into their pantheon and stick a giant statue of him right in the middle of The Pantheon in Rome.
They already had Asclepius so Jesus would have been redundant. In fact, Richard Carrier makes an interesting observation in this article:

"Consider the god Asclepius. Doctors associated themselves with this god, and many legends were circulating of doctors becoming famous by restoring the dead to life, as recounted by Pliny the Elder, Apuleius and others.[35] Asclepius was also called SOTER, "The Savior," as many gods were in that day. He was especially so-named for being able to cure the sick and bring back the dead, and since "Jesus" (properly, Joshua) means "The Savior" in Hebrew it may have been expected that his resurrection would be physical in nature, too. After all, so was that of Lazarus, or of the boy raised by Elijah in 1 Kings--a prophet with whom Jesus was often equated.[36] Jesus' association with many healing miracles may also have implied a deliberate rivalry with Asclepius, and indeed, Jesus was actually called SOTER, and still is today: we see the Christian fishes on the backs of cars now, containing the Greek word ICHTHUS, the last letter of which stands for: SOTER. Not standing to be outdone by a pagan god, Christians may have simply expected that their god could raise himself physically from the grave.[37]"
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