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Old 10-16-2011, 09:22 PM   #121
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Your assertion does NOT disturb my theory at all and has NO real value as evidence. You cannot prove what anybody else knew at that time (whenever it was).

I am dealing SPECIFICALLY with the author of Sinaiticus Mark and that he wrote BAD NEWS.

It can be LOGICALLY deduced that Sinaiticus Mark is NOT a Gospel but BAD NEWS of a character that died in Disgrace, Abandoned, Denied and Rejected.

It can therefore be also REASONED that the author wrote BAD NEWS because he did NOT know of any GOSPEL at the the time of writing.

The GOOD NEWS of the resurrection of Jesus was LATER added to other versions of MARK.

ALL writings in the NT Canon with the GOOD NEWS of the RESURRECTION were UNKNOWN to the author of Sinaiticus Mark.
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Even if all that is true, so what?
You don't even know what you are arguing about.
I don't know what you think you're arguing about. I don't think even you know what you think you're arguing about.
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ALL writings, including the Pauline writings, in the Canon with the GOOD NEWS of the resurrection are AFTER Sinaiticus Mark, AFTER the Fall of the Temple.
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You have given no grounds for thinking this true.
Your assertion is BLATANTLY erroneous.

The author of Sinaiticus Mark did write BAD NEWS that Jesus was ABANDONED, DENIED, REJECTED and that the visitors did NOT find his dead body in the EMPTY TOMB.

The Gospel of the RESURRECTION was ADDED LATER.

SINAITICUS MARK is earlier than ALL the BOOKS in the NT CANON with the GOOD NEWS of the resurrection which includes the Pauline writings
You have given no grounds for thinking that to be true.
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Sinaiticus Mark is NOT a Gospel it is BAD NEWS.

Sinaiticus Mark is about a character called Jesus that died in DISGRACE after being found to be guilty of death for Blasphemy by the Sanhedrin and was ABANDONED, DENIED, and REJECTED by the Jews and his OWN disciples.

There is NO GOOD NEWS of the resurrection in Sinaiticus Mark.

When Sinaiticus Mark was written Jesus was supposedly crucified and buried DECADES earlier.

It should have been known if the VISITORS did tell the disciples or ANYONE of the GOOD NEWS of the Resurrection.

The author of Sinaiticus Mark claimed the VISITORS told NO-ONE anything.

Even AFTER the Fall of the Temple, the most likely time of writing, the author of Sinaiticus MARK claimed the VISITORS told NOBODY the Good NEWS.

The claim by the author of Sinaiticus Mark makes sense if NOBODY has heard his story BEFORE he wrote.

If the author himself KNEW people were ACTUALLY PREACHING the Good NEWS of the resurrection for DECADES, like Paul, Peter and John the disciples, and that others did so while he was writing then his claim in Mark 16.8 would be PUBLICLY known to be ABSURD AND wholly FALSE.

Since BEFORE the Fall of the Temple the disciples and Paul should have been preaching the GOOD NEWS of the resurrection.

There is a condition for Sinaiticus Mark to be true, that the visitors told no-one of the Good news of the resurrection. The author cannot KNOW that the disciples and Paul and others were preaching for decades of the Good NEWS of the resurrection since the DAY of PENTECOST about 40 days AFTER the supposed resurrection.

Sinaiticus Mark destroys the history of the Church, Paul, the Pauline writings, the Acts of the Apostles and the very Canonized Gospels.

The GOSPEL of the resurrection is AFTER the Sinaiticus BAD NEWS Mark.
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Remarkably, a SINGLE PHRASE in Sinaiticus Mark has DESTROYED HJ, the History of the Church, the very Gospels, Paul and the Pauline writings.

The very LAST VERSE in SINAITICUS MARK, AFTER 1600 years, has EXPOSED the INVENTION of the Good News of the resurrection of Jesus.

There was NO GOSPEL, NO GOOD NEWS, of the Resurrection of Jesus when SINAITICUS MARK was written.

Examine the KILLER PHRASE UNCOVERED BY PURE LOGICS.

Mark 16.8
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........ THEY SAID NOTHING TO ANY ONE, for they were AFRAID....
The Visitors were asked to tell the disciples of the Good NEWS of the resurrection but they did NOT because they WERE AFRAID.

Logically, if the author KNEW WHILE he was WRITING that people were PRESENTLY preaching the Good News of the Resurrection then he would have KNOWINGLY wrote FALSE information.

The Phrase, "they said nothing to any one", would be UNNECESSARY, ABSURD and FALSE if the author KNEW or heard that the Disciples, including Peter and John, were PRESENTLY preaching or had preached the Good News of the Resurrection

By LOGICS it can be deduced that the phrase, "they said nothing to any one", would be NECESSARY or most likely true if NOBODY ever heard the GOOD NEWS of the Resurrection BEFORE the author WROTE it.

It was the author of SINAITICUS MARK who TOLD PEOPLE for the FIRST TIME that Jesus was RISEN.

The Visitors did NOT give the GOOD NEWS because they were AFRAID.

The VISITORS were TOLD by a man in White Clothes that Jesus was RISEN but they FLED DUMBSTRUCK and they said nothing to any one.

But, SINAITICUS MARK was most likely written AFTER the Fall of the Temple, After c 70 CE.

There was NO-ONE preaching the Good NEWS of the resurrection even AFTER the Fall of the Temple, After c 70 CE.

1. Judas had BETRAYED Jesus.

2. The disciples ABANDONED Jesus.

3. Peter DENIED he ever KNEW Jesus THREE times.

4. The Visitors to the EMPTY TOMB SAID NOTHING TO ANYONE of the Resurrection.

By PURE LOGICS, it can be deduced that, the Historical Jesus, The Entire NT Canon, the History of the Church, Paul and the Pauline writings have been DESTROYED by FIVE WORDS in Sinaiticus Mark.

"THEY SAID NOTHING TO ANYONE".
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Sinaiticus Mark is NOT a Gospel it is BAD NEWS.

Sinaiticus Mark is about a character called Jesus that died in DISGRACE after being found to be guilty of death for Blasphemy by the Sanhedrin and was ABANDONED, DENIED, and REJECTED by the Jews and his OWN disciples.

There is NO GOOD NEWS of the resurrection in Sinaiticus Mark.

When Sinaiticus Mark was written Jesus was supposedly crucified and buried DECADES earlier.

It should have been known if the VISITORS did tell the disciples or ANYONE of the GOOD NEWS of the Resurrection.

The author of Sinaiticus Mark claimed the VISITORS told NO-ONE anything.

Even AFTER the Fall of the Temple, the most likely time of writing, the author of Sinaiticus MARK claimed the VISITORS told NOBODY the Good NEWS.

The claim by the author of Sinaiticus Mark makes sense if NOBODY has heard his story BEFORE he wrote.

If the author himself KNEW people were ACTUALLY PREACHING the Good NEWS of the resurrection for DECADES, like Paul, Peter and John the disciples, and that others did so while he was writing then his claim in Mark 16.8 would be PUBLICLY known to be ABSURD AND wholly FALSE.

Since BEFORE the Fall of the Temple the disciples and Paul should have been preaching the GOOD NEWS of the resurrection.

There is a condition for Sinaiticus Mark to be true, that the visitors told no-one of the Good news of the resurrection. The author cannot KNOW that the disciples and Paul and others were preaching for decades of the Good NEWS of the resurrection since the DAY of PENTECOST about 40 days AFTER the supposed resurrection.

Sinaiticus Mark destroys the history of the Church, Paul, the Pauline writings, the Acts of the Apostles and the very Canonized Gospels.

The GOSPEL of the resurrection is AFTER the Sinaiticus BAD NEWS Mark.
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Remarkably, a SINGLE PHRASE in Sinaiticus Mark has DESTROYED HJ, the History of the Church, the very Gospels, Paul and the Pauline writings.

The very LAST VERSE in SINAITICUS MARK, AFTER 1600 years, has EXPOSED the INVENTION of the Good News of the resurrection of Jesus.

There was NO GOSPEL, NO GOOD NEWS, of the Resurrection of Jesus when SINAITICUS MARK was written.

Examine the KILLER PHRASE UNCOVERED BY PURE LOGICS.

Mark 16.8
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........ THEY SAID NOTHING TO ANY ONE, for they were AFRAID....
The Visitors were asked to tell the disciples of the Good NEWS of the resurrection but they did NOT because they WERE AFRAID.

Logically, if the author KNEW WHILE he was WRITING that people were PRESENTLY preaching the Good News of the Resurrection then he would have KNOWINGLY wrote FALSE information.

The Phrase, "they said nothing to any one", would be UNNECESSARY, ABSURD and FALSE if the author KNEW or heard that the Disciples, including Peter and John, were PRESENTLY preaching or had preached the Good News of the Resurrection

By LOGICS it can be deduced that the phrase, "they said nothing to any one", would be NECESSARY or most likely true if NOBODY ever heard the GOOD NEWS of the Resurrection BEFORE the author WROTE it.

It was the author of SINAITICUS MARK who TOLD PEOPLE for the FIRST TIME that Jesus was RISEN.

The Visitors did NOT give the GOOD NEWS because they were AFRAID.

The VISITORS were TOLD by a man in White Clothes that Jesus was RISEN but they FLED DUMBSTRUCK and they said nothing to any one.

But, SINAITICUS MARK was most likely written AFTER the Fall of the Temple, After c 70 CE.

There was NO-ONE preaching the Good NEWS of the resurrection even AFTER the Fall of the Temple, After c 70 CE.

1. Judas had BETRAYED Jesus.

2. The disciples ABANDONED Jesus.

3. Peter DENIED he ever KNEW Jesus THREE times.

4. The Visitors to the EMPTY TOMB SAID NOTHING TO ANYONE of the Resurrection.

By PURE LOGICS, it can be deduced that, the Historical Jesus, The Entire NT Canon, the History of the Church, Paul and the Pauline writings have been DESTROYED by FIVE WORDS in Sinaiticus Mark.

"THEY SAID NOTHING TO ANYONE".
If a document contains no references to anybody preaching a gospel, there are a number of possible explanations: it may be that nobody was preaching a gospel at the time the document was written; it may be that people were preaching a gospel at the time the document was written but the writer was unaware of them; it may be that the writer was aware of people preaching a gospel at the time but did not include this information in the document.
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If a document contains no references to anybody preaching a gospel, there are a number of possible explanations: it may be that nobody was preaching a gospel at the time the document was written; it may be that people were preaching a gospel at the time the document was written but the writer was unaware of them; it may be that the writer was aware of people preaching a gospel at the time but did not include this information in the document.
Your statement does NOT disturb the theory that gMark is the perfect HJ argument killer or that SINAITICUS Mark destroys the History of the Church, the Pauline writings, Acts of the Apostles and the very Gospels.

You cannot show that it is not possible that the author of Sinaiticus Mark INVENTED his story and Nobody heard it BEFORE he wrote.

Logically, if the author of Sinaiticus Mark knew that people preached the Good News of the resurrection for DECADES, like the disciples Peter, and John then it would be unnecessarily FALSE and ABSURD to claim the visitors told No-one of the resurrection.

Please, please, remember. Only the visitors were told that Jesus was RISEN in Sinaiticus Mark.

The visitors were ASKED by the man in white clothes to tell the disciples of the resurrection and to meet him in Galilee but they told No-one because they were AFRAID.
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If a document contains no references to anybody preaching a gospel, there are a number of possible explanations: it may be that nobody was preaching a gospel at the time the document was written; it may be that people were preaching a gospel at the time the document was written but the writer was unaware of them; it may be that the writer was aware of people preaching a gospel at the time but did not include this information in the document.
Your statement does NOT disturb the theory that gMark is the perfect HJ argument killer or that SINAITICUS Mark destroys the History of the Church, the Pauline writings, Acts of the Apostles and the very Gospels.
That depends on what sense you're using the word 'disturb' in, what sense you're using the word 'destroys' in, what sense you're using the word 'killer' in, and what you mean by 'HJ argument', 'the History of the Church', and 'the Pauline writings'.
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You cannot show that it is not possible that the author of Sinaiticus Mark INVENTED his story and Nobody heard it BEFORE he wrote.
You cannot show that the author of Sinaiticus Mark invented his story and nobody heard it before he wrote.
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Logically, if the author of Sinaiticus Mark knew that people preached the Good News of the resurrection for DECADES, like the disciples Peter, and John then it would be unnecessarily FALSE and ABSURD to claim the visitors told No-one of the resurrection.
Logically, if the author of Sinaiticus Mark told a story which stopped without anybody telling anybody about an alleged resurrection, it would be unnecessarily false and absurd to claim that nobody ever told anybody any story about an alleged resurrection.
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Please, please, remember. Only the visitors were told that Jesus was RISEN in Sinaiticus Mark.

The visitors were ASKED by the man in white clothes to tell the disciples of the resurrection and to meet him in Galilee but they told No-one because they were AFRAID.
I remember that. Please, please, tell me what difference you think it makes.
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Logically, if the author of Sinaiticus Mark told a story which stopped without anybody telling anybody about an alleged resurrection, it would be unnecessarily false and absurd to claim that nobody ever told anybody any story about an alleged resurrection...
It is actually found in Sinaiticus Mark that the visitors told NO-ONE of the resurrection because they were AFRAID.

My theory is based on the WRITTEN evidence not on unsubstantiated speculation.

I don't deal with speculation, I used the DATA available.

Examine the DATA in gMark.

Mark 16.5-8
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5 And they entered the sepulcher and saw a young man, sitting at the right side, clothed in a white robe; and they were amazed.

6 But he says to them: Be not amazed. You seek Jesus the Nazarene who was crucified, he has risen, he is not here: see the place where they laid him.

7 But go, tell his disciples, especially Peter, that he goes before you into Galilee: there you shall see him, as he said to you.

8 And going out they fled from the sepulcher; for trembling and astonishment had seized them; and they said nothing to any one, for they were afraid....
I cannot ASSUME the author has another ending or that the author knew some other story.

At the time of writing the author claimed the visitors told NO-ONE of the resurrection and that claim SUPPORT my theory that the Good News of the Resurrection was UNKNOWN and that NOBODY heard the story BEFORE the author wrote it some time After the Fall of the Temple.
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Logically, if the author of Sinaiticus Mark told a story which stopped without anybody telling anybody about an alleged resurrection, it would be unnecessarily false and absurd to claim that nobody ever told anybody any story about an alleged resurrection...
It is actually found in Sinaiticus Mark that the visitors told NO-ONE of the resurrection because they were AFRAID.
Just because something is written in a text does not prove that it is true.
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My theory is based on the WRITTEN evidence not on unsubstantiated speculation.

I don't deal with speculation, I used the DATA available.
To assume that the statements in Sinaiticus are true would itself be speculation.
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Examine the DATA in gMark.

Mark 16.5-8
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6 But he says to them: Be not amazed. You seek Jesus the Nazarene who was crucified, he has risen, he is not here: see the place where they laid him.

7 But go, tell his disciples, especially Peter, that he goes before you into Galilee: there you shall see him, as he said to you.

8 And going out they fled from the sepulcher; for trembling and astonishment had seized them; and they said nothing to any one, for they were afraid....
I cannot ASSUME the author has another ending or that the author knew some other story.
I am not assuming that either.
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At the time of writing the author claimed the visitors told NO-ONE of the resurrection and that claim SUPPORT my theory that the Good News of the Resurrection was UNKNOWN and that NOBODY heard the story BEFORE the author wrote it some time After the Fall of the Temple.
No, it doesn't.

If the telling of the resurrection story is mentioned in a text, that is evidence that the first telling of the story was no later than when that text was written. But if the telling of the resurrection story is not mentioned in a text, that is not evidence to support any theory about when the story was first told.
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