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Malachi151 · 11-22-2006, 09:27 AM

From Hebrews 9:

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26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Oh boy isn't Christianity a lovely religion?

steamer · 11-22-2006, 10:05 AM

I don't remember this story from Sunday-school. Such a weak indoctrination I had.

My favorite scary-weirdness analogy is the one with Jesus being the shepard and the believers being like sheep. Why do shepards keep sheep? Why they sheer them and eat them. Jesus had fangs you know.

Nice Squirrel · 11-22-2006, 12:16 PM

What version is that?

Is it a misquote?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...r=9&version=31
How about this one:

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Originally Posted by Hebrews 9

23It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

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Originally Posted by KJV

23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Malachi151 · 11-22-2006, 12:34 PM

Whoops, my bad, its Hebrews 10! I was reading 9, and then moved on to the next page and forgot.

Lógos Sokratikós · 11-22-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

From Hebrews 9:

Quote:

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You can find more sense in a mental ward.

dendrast · 11-22-2006, 06:28 PM

Wasn't the question "...Isn't Xianity a lovely religion?"
Isn't that quote Old Testament?
Wouldn't that include Judaism and Islam?
Isn't religion lovely?

Malachi151 · 11-22-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dendrast

Wasn't the question "...Isn't Xianity a lovely religion?"
Isn't that quote Old Testament?
Wouldn't that include Judaism and Islam?
Isn't religion lovely?

Hebrews is a New Testament book. The passage is talking about Jesus.

sharon45 · 11-22-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

Oh boy isn't Christianity a lovely religion?

Simply hideous.

Hebrews is instead unintentionally talking about followers of such corrupt beliefs as christianity with its constant shameless quotes from the OT.

dendrast · 11-23-2006, 07:13 PM

Hebrews is NT ? Like I ever gave a shit

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11-22-2006, 10:05 AM	#2
steamer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: CA Posts: 7,653	I don't remember this story from Sunday-school. Such a weak indoctrination I had. My favorite scary-weirdness analogy is the one with Jesus being the shepard and the believers being like sheep. Why do shepards keep sheep? Why they sheer them and eat them. Jesus had fangs you know.

11-22-2006, 12:34 PM	#4
Malachi151 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 8,674	Whoops, my bad, its Hebrews 10! I was reading 9, and then moved on to the next page and forgot.

11-22-2006, 06:28 PM	#6
dendrast Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Horror! The Horror! Posts: 4,367	Wasn't the question "...Isn't Xianity a lovely religion?" Isn't that quote Old Testament? Wouldn't that include Judaism and Islam? Isn't religion lovely?

11-23-2006, 07:13 PM	#9
dendrast Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Horror! The Horror! Posts: 4,367	Hebrews is NT ? Like I ever gave a shit

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