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godfry n. glad · 04-04-2003, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by Sauron
I don't follow the JM discussion. It tends to make my eyes glaze over.

Yeah... I can see why. If you enjoy baiting Holding, then the discussions at JM would be soporific in their attempt to be reasonable and rational. Name-calling is forbidden, too.

Hey, following Holding tends to make my stomach roll over. I'm glad you've decided to take on the task. I don't think he should continue unchallenged, and you're doing a great job.

Keep up the good work.

godfry

Sauron · 04-04-2003, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by godfry n. glad

Hey, following Holding tends to make my stomach roll over. I'm glad you've decided to take on the task. I don't think he should continue unchallenged, and you're doing a great job.

Keep up the good work.

godfry

Turkel now seems to think I'm some poster he responded to three years ago. But my experience at Theologyweb is the first time posting responses to him.

He's so wrapped up in trying to match me with one of his previous antagonists, that he's getting ready to cut/copy/paste responses from arguments that I wasn't even involved in.

ROFL! What a maroon!

godfry n. glad · 04-04-2003, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by Sauron
Turkel now seems to think I'm some poster he responded to three years ago. But my experience at Theologyweb is the first time posting responses to him.

He's so wrapped up in trying to match me with one of his previous antagonists, that he's getting ready to cut/copy/paste responses from arguments that I wasn't even involved in.

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Aw, Sauron... What _do_ you expect? He's a zombie worshipper who hears voices in his head and thinks it's god or Ja-HEEEE-zus.

That type tends to see and hear all sorts of inexplicable things and undertake inexplicable actions (at least in rational terms). That's the nature of theism.

godfry

Slavik91 · 04-04-2003, 10:56 AM

Sauron, just keep thinking up new names for J. Pee Pee Holding. Like, have you ever thought how much the name Robert Turkle sounds like Steve Urkle?

I guess I found out the real reason why he uses the name JP Holding (I gotta put that on me web page).

Sauron · 04-04-2003, 11:10 AM

Where's your website, Slavik?

Here's a bigger list:

His website:
www.Tackytonics.org
www.tonkatoys.com
www.ticksandfleas.com

Turkel's alias:
J.P. Hackingcough
JayPeePee
J.P. Horsemanure
J. Porky Hamhocks
J. Pretentious Holding
J.P. Hypocrite
J.P. Huffenstuff
J.P. Hazythought
JayPee Moulding
JayPee Handwave
J.P. Holdthetoilettissue
JayPee Handout

Slavik91 · 04-04-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Sauron
Where's your website, Slavik?

Just use my WWW link at the bottom of my post.

It's only a week old, and I have to write some more stuff for it.

Jayhawker Soule · 04-04-2003, 12:06 PM

Am I the only one who finds this stuff infantile and embarrassing?

godfry n. glad · 04-04-2003, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
Am I the only one who finds this stuff infantile and embarrassing?

Which "stuff"?

godfry

WinAce · 04-04-2003, 02:39 PM

Childish, yes. No worse than what Holding himself loves to use, no.

Haran · 04-04-2003, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by Sauron I searched under "ossuary", "patina", "Ilani", "Joash", etc. So you're going to have to provide the article. Not merely because it may not be there (as your source indicates), but also because I want to read the text myself.

I'm not going to play games. The article was there even if it is not now. I believe it may have been in Hebrew.

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1. You haven't shown that IGS disagrees.

You made a correction to your statement and then say that I'm wrong? The IGS disagreed with what you originally said. What you originally said is what I was responding to.

I do, however, believe that I remember them saying they did testing on the patina in a few of the letters. I could be wrong.

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So is archaeology, which is often beset by forgery.
So is art history, which is often beset by forgery.

Can you refute these two points, Haran? You continue to duck on them, so I am guessing the answer is "no".

Since I do not remember you ever offering these "two points", I can't have "ducked on them".

I see no problem with there being experts in forgery, but they can't be experts in every possible detail of how something can be forged. They must lean on the expertise of others to help in drawing their conclusions. In this case, an expert in geology would be necessary to examine the finer details.

Since this is an obvious point and I don't even know that John Lupia's doctorates involved study in forgery (at least enough to be considered an expert), I don't see that further debate is necessary.

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Correction, Haran. You assume that the source was Altman. You backtracked through some articles, but the trail went cold before you could link it to Altman.

I asked the for original source of the quote. They told me to ask Dr. Altman. If Dr. Altman was not the source of the quote, then why was she the point of contact?

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The strongest piece of evidence presented so far indicates that Yardeni holds the same (or a similar) point of view.

Excuse me??

What is this strongest piece of evidence??

Those quotes??

Look. I don't usually state things so confidently, but Ada Yardeni does not agree with Dr. Altman's assessment.

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So I repeat: If you believe that Yardeni has been misquoted, then by all means, present your evidence. So far you haven't done so.

Again, I'm not going to playing games. I firmly believe that Ada Yardeni does not agree with Dr. Altman's assessment. Ultimately, it makes no difference to me what you believe because you are wrong on this issue.

If you like games, then you can try to prove to me that you are not wrong (the only thing I will accept as proof is direct email with her, or email with another reputable professor - other than Dr. Altman - maybe Andre Lemaire, or a reputable peer-reviewed article ---- NO NEWS).

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Because you deliberately avoid seeing the obvious, Haran. Oded Golan was trying to pull a "fast one" over on the authorities. The evidence is stacked a mile high. Yet you shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, I don't know......."

There is no "evidence". If there was "evidence", then Golan would be behind bars. There is only "speculation". Whose foundations are shaky?

It makes no difference to the authenticity of the ossuary even if he is found guilty of purchasing it illegally. Breaking an antiquities law does not make one a forger.

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04-04-2003, 10:56 AM	#14
Slavik91 Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 169	Sauron, just keep thinking up new names for J. Pee Pee Holding. Like, have you ever thought how much the name Robert Turkle sounds like Steve Urkle? I guess I found out the real reason why he uses the name JP Holding (I gotta put that on me web page).

04-04-2003, 11:10 AM	#15
Sauron Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In the dark places of the world Posts: 8,093	Where's your website, Slavik? Here's a bigger list: His website: www.Tackytonics.org www.tonkatoys.com www.ticksandfleas.com Turkel's alias: J.P. Hackingcough JayPeePee J.P. Horsemanure J. Porky Hamhocks J. Pretentious Holding J.P. Hypocrite J.P. Huffenstuff J.P. Hazythought JayPee Moulding JayPee Handwave J.P. Holdthetoilettissue JayPee Handout

04-04-2003, 12:06 PM	#17
Jayhawker Soule Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,777	Am I the only one who finds this stuff infantile and embarrassing?

04-04-2003, 02:39 PM	#19
WinAce Beloved Deceased Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,539	Childish, yes. No worse than what Holding himself loves to use, no.

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