Biff the unclean

So all of the Christians on this board who have a personal relationship with God are liars?
God can’t talk? Why is that?

Her death sentence was over turned. Is that intercession?
And why does God have to intercede? He doesn’t intercede with Jephthah in Judges. God has Jephthah’s daughter (after months of bewailing her own virginity) killed and burned as a human sacrifice to Himself.
He didn’t intercede when Jesus asked Him to.

She just drowned her kids in a bathtub. Abraham tried to kill one by letting him die of thirst in the desert and cutting the heart out of the other (and burning him)

Why do you have different standards for people in the bible than you have for people in real life? Don’t you think Abraham was a real person?

Chaupoline

Well, God doesn't talk directly to me. I do not know about everyone else that claims to have a personal relationship with God. I don't really have anything to base their claims on. Besides it really doesn't matter to me if someone claims to talk to God.

I thought you were looking for definitive proof.

Yep, Abraham was a real person. I don't think that he was a real great guy though. Same thing goes for Noah, David and Solomon. I probably could be friends with maybe 4 or 5 people in the Bible. The thing is though that Abraham didn't kill his kids. Yates did.

spin

Why do you think that Abraham lived? How do you turn a literary work into a historical one??


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Chaupoline

I think that Abraham lived because the Jews and the Arabs trace their ancestry back to him. The Arabs hate the Jews and would never acknowledge anything for them. They even believe that Christ was real but still hate Christians and Christianity. It isn't concrete evidence but it works for me.

Mageth

Scant evidence, that.

You seem to be confusing "Moslems" and "Arabs" here. I need not tell you the two are not the same. Not to mention painting "hate" with a much-too-broad brush.

Islam traditionally/historically was quite tolerant of both Christians and Jews - much more so than Christians and Jews have been tolerant of Islam. Indeed, Islam freely acknowledged that the three religions share the same roots. Historically, both Christians and Jews were tolerated in Islamic nations, allowed to practice their religions as long as they abided by the rules of the State.

Further, Islam believes Jesus was a prophet - but it is not exactly correct to say that "they" believe that "Christ was real."

jonesg

No, not the "kingdom" of anything.

I ask again, does Israel exist today...now why ? How is it possible?
How have they managed not to just survive whilst being surrounded by maniacs who want them dead, but they thrive .

atheism is more successful than judaism ? hahaha, you kidder you.!

Jews are the most successful race on earth.

How is it so, what is the underlying factor?

Consider Abraham and their following the WIll of God , thats what I see.

Mageth

An Israel exists today. But it's a stretch to say that it's the same Israel - a huge stretch.

A very good army, well-supplied by the U.S., and the continued backing and protection by the U.S.?

Jews are the most successful race on earth? hahaha, you kidder you!

Seriously, that statement is nonsensical.

austin2

mageth

Jews/Israel has been armed and supported by USA for 2 thousand years?

jonesg

It would be the stretch you wish it was if it was an Israel populated by palestinians, but its a Jewish state, todays Israel is THE Jewish state.
All Jews are welcomed home to Israel .

Biff the unclean

Yeah, it's a Jewish state which they named, in the 1940's after another Jewish state that went out of existence one thousand nine hundred years before. It's not the same state. It's form of government isn't even remotely similar to the original country with that name