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Mentalepsy · 09-06-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev. Timothy G. Muse

This is a good picture of how God uses the law. Many come to the Ten Commandments as if God gave his standard of righteousness that we might fulfill them and show him how "righteous" we are. But the truth is, no matter how hard we try, we always fall short. God has given the Ten Commandments to show us that we cannot do them, that we might raise our heads and look to him ... that he might provide a righteousness for us, that we cannot accomplish or provide for ourselves.

Did you let your son try to tie his shoe because he wanted to try it on his own for once?

Or did you set a rule that your son must learn to tie his own shoes or face punishment, and then let him try and fail- and then demand that he admit to being utterly incapable of ever learning to tie his own shoe, and be dependant on you to tie his shoe for the rest of his life?

How exactly is it good parenting to set rules that you know cannot be followed, along with punishments for breaking them, for the purpose of making your children fail when they try to live up to your standards?

Agnostic Theist · 09-07-2004, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mentalepsy

Did you let your son try to tie his shoe because he wanted to try it on his own for once?

Or did you set a rule that your son must learn to tie his own shoes or face punishment, and then let him try and fail- and then demand that he admit to being utterly incapable of ever learning to tie his own shoe, and be dependant on you to tie his shoe for the rest of his life?

How exactly is it good parenting to set rules that you know cannot be followed, along with punishments for breaking them, for the purpose of making your children fail when they try to live up to your standards?

That's one hell of a bundle of straw. The rev did not mention punishing his son.; He offered help, the boy refused, the boy tried, the boy failed, the rev helped. It's just like God...except the rev actually helps and offers help....and doesn't punish his son for failing....yeah.

Mentalepsy · 09-07-2004, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Agnostic Beast

That's one hell of a bundle of straw. The rev did not mention punishing his son. He offered help, the boy refused, the boy tried, the boy failed, the rev helped.

Yes, that appears to be what happened. See the first paragraph of my post.

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It's just like God...except the rev actually helps and offers help....and doesn't punish his son for failing....yeah.

Yes, those would be differences between God and the reverend, thus causing problems for the analogy. See the second paragraph of my post.

Where was the strawman again?

John the Non-Baptist · 09-07-2004, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pelican

Hey Rev,
Didn't you read the part in the Bible about throwing pearls to swine? Why would you come to a dump like this and expect these atheist smart-asses to actually be able to conjure up a serious answer to an interesting parable? These clowns have the depth and sensitivity of Mad magazine.
Save it for Sunday Rev.

We love you, too, Pelican.

Pelican · 09-07-2004, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by John the Non-Baptist

We love you, too, Pelican.

I thought I was being charitable.

Vagus · 09-08-2004, 02:39 AM

He has given us.........his shoe!

Someone had to post it.

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