exile

Errrrr - Everest isn't a volcano.

It IS impossible for a (non-volcanic) mountain to grow from less than the height of Ararat to 29,000 ft in 4,000 years.

So the possibilities are

- the flood was restricted to the middle east - which was the "known world" as far as the ancient Israelites were concerned

- God miraculously altered the earth's geography AFTER the flood - raised mountains etc, flew kangaroos to Australia and so on.

2nd is obviously not disprovable. Unfortunately the Bible doesn't provide any evidence for it.

1st would seem more probable and actually has some non-Biblical evidence to back it up.

By the way, the flood seems to have spared the pyramids (which predate the flood by several centuries) - explain that!

Sven

Even if you're right (please give a reference), could you please provide the chapter in the bible which describes this earth-shaking events in detail? Or do you think nobody found these events worth mentioning? And please don't quote the verse about Peleg (to which Jim Larmore already referred) - it's after all only a single verse and thus not at all appropriate for these great changes in the shape of the earth.

Mageth

While true, note that it would take a lot more mass to grow a 28,000 foot mountain to 29,000 feet. Think about it.

And, as noted above, Everest isn't a volcano.

Magus55

And what evidence do you have that this isn't possible? Because we don't currently observe it today? If there was extreme amounts of tectonic activity during the flood, it most certaintly is possible. And i'm not saying the exact age was 4000 years ago. I just believe in a young creation, not necessarily exactly 6000 years ago, or that the Earth is the age of 6000 years.

Plognark

Yup, and don't give me the crap about it being impossible. A volcano in Mexico grew from flat ground to 1000 feet in a couple weeks.

Your fundamental lack of understanding of geology, and science in general, is wearing thin. Makes me sad that you'll cling to this notion without even trying to educate yourself on the relevant topics, beyond a cursory examination so you can at least participate in the discussions. Please go read a book (other than the bible; i'd say you've read that one enough).

In Magus55's defense, yes, a volcano did spontaneously eurupt in mexico (can't recall the name of it, but this is surprisingly recent in history), however, as many people pointed out above, everest ain't volcanic. :banghead:

Magus55

It doesn't matter how geology works. Yes geology may say that by natural methods, Everest can not grow thousands of feet in a few thousand years. But who ever said this was a natural event? God isn't bound by geology. He can do what geology says can't happen.

Mageth

And, once again, God had to have waved his magic wand and caused Everest (and the hundreds if not thousands of other peaks taller than Ararat) to sprout like so many wild onions in spring, all so that Magus et al can defend an obvious myth as history.

And all the while, hiding his mountain-growing activity from civilizations around the world, none of which recorded the miraculous growing of these mountain ranges, and also hiding it from modern geologists, none of which have detected any evidence that the world's many high peaks have all grown miraculously by thousands of feet in the last few thousand years.

Angrillori

Nice. In recap:

Magus: No, this could happen because a volcano did it!

Us: But Everest isn't volcanic.

Magus: Yeah, but my example is totally irrelevant! Because goddidit.


Please, don't try to hide behind science or pretend your views are rational if a couple posts later you'll just take everything back and admit your beliefs have nothing to do with reality.

Sven

I again have to ask why specifically this miracle out of God's countless miracles isn't mentioned in the bible.

Angrillori

One more question:

Don't the mountains show a gradual rise? Isn't there evidence showing that they've grown only infintesimally over time, no 10,000 feet in 4,000 years?

Or is this just the 'God lied and gave it the appearance of age' bit?