Jim Larmore

I know this may be beating a dead horse but it takes more faith to me to believe in evolution than it does to believe in an almighty God, a lot of the evidence that seems to support evolution can be refuted by a supernatural creation.
There are so many ways to think about something, so many perspectives, so many philosophies or beliefs , but nature stands as a opulent witness to miraculous creative genious.

Yea, you could say anthing is possible and I can flip a coin a million times and make it land on heads every time too.

Biff the unclean

… it takes more faith to me to believe in evolution than it does to believe in an almighty God
What an arrogant thing to say. Nobody "believes" in evolution. It's a matter of fact not faith. Evolution is a proven fact. If it being a proven fact means that your religion is false then your religion is false. Go find a new religion then.
Frankly I don't know why you focus on biology proving your religion to be nonsense. Astronomy, geography and geology have long ago shown how silly it is. You should worry more about Galileo than Darwin
a lot of the evidence that seems to support evolution can be refuted by a supernatural creation.
And no evidence supports a supernatural anything. There is no supernatural-that's a state which exists solely in fiction. There is no such thing as real magic.
There are so many ways to think about something, so many perspectives, so many philosophies or beliefs , but nature stands as a opulent witness to miraculous creative genious.
Except the way you are choosing to think about these things is called "superstition." You are ignoring thousands of years of human learning to embrace the myths of a bunch of Bronze Age nomads. The most worrisome part is that you aren't embarrassed to do so.
I can flip a coin a million times and make it land on heads every time too.
No matter how many times you flip a coin the odds that it will come up heads remains 50/50.

Toto

<mod hat on>

Please stay on topic. If you want to argue that the existence of complexity or beauty in the world proves God, the nice folks in the Evolution-Creation forum will be happy to take you on.

Jim Larmore

We've been told to go somewhere else with this so I won't comment much. I believe things change due to micro-evolution, this is obvious, however I can't go with molecules to life systems all on their own without any intelligent input, no way. Talk about arrogance......... muddy water to cellular life by itself,even for a billion years.... Give me a break!!!!!!

excreationist

(just to clarify my offtopic thing)
Exactly... assuming MWI is true.
If every possible outcome was an alternate history and assuming that the outcomes just are in terms of the coin being heads or tails, there would be 2^1,000,000 alternate histories (or parallel universes). That's 2 to the power of 1,000,000 or 10^301,030. So there would be a 1 with 301,030 zeroes alternate histories. In one of them, heads would come up a million times in a row. In another one of them, tails would come up a million times in a row. In most of the others the number of heads and tails would be fairly close (e.g. 400,000 heads and 600,000 tails)
Of course, it means a huge number of alternate universes.... that is maybe the most common objection to MWI.

Jim Larmore

I'm as receptive to new and abstract ideas of explaining reality as anyone but I gotta tell ya this one is a little over the edge. I've taken some theoretical physics classes and they can get pretty weird sometimes when the primary emphasis goes away from working problems to think tank work, i.e. working with the weak and strong forces and "dark matter" etc.

excreationist

Jim Larmore:
You sound like you've never heard of this idea before...
Well apparently
http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm#believes
"Amongst the "Yes, I think MWI is true" crowd listed are Stephen Hawking and Nobel Laureates Murray Gell-Mann and Richard Feynman."

A quantum computer guy called David Deutsch has a scientific paper here.

That first link has quite a bit of information about MWI...

And there is more information in the two links I listed in previous posts....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon...alleluni.shtml
This link for the BBC program says "Parallel universes really do exist and they are much stranger than even the science fiction writers dared to imagine...."
There is a transcript to read the whole TV program.

This is a long Scientific American article:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?art...A5809EC5880000

I think it is probably more appropriate to put multiverse/MWI/parallel universe stuff in this Science & Skepticism thread:
Evil wives with beards and the multiverse
Or you could start a new thread in that forum since so far there hasn't been much debate in that thread about the existence of parallel universes.

Jim Larmore

Sounds like it could be an interesting topic of debate/discussion however, until I read some of your listings here on the topic I would be remiss in starting a thread anywhere on paralell universes/Realities.

You start it and I'll try to keep up with it by being a silent witness like there are so many with us here I'm sure, Who knows I may even post some tid bit of information that may contribute or incite which ever is applicable.

excreationist

Well I've basically said about all I know about it... I haven't even read through those links properly or learnt about technical things like the Schroedinger equation.
Here's some more stuff - it's about David Deutsch and how he thinks quantum computers are evidence of parallel universes... maybe it is mostly covered in the other links.
http://www.newscientist.com/hottopic...sp?id=22994400

Jim Larmore

The Schroedinger equation is something we went through in entry level physics 2nd year of college, Interesting, I'll try to read thru this stuff. I need to bone back up on my higher math. If you don't do it you get a little rusty on it, especially calculus. If I remember right the Schroedinger equation was also used in a differential equations level course I took too.