mata leao

brothers and sisters. I am new here and perhaps it is just me. But kindly, compassionately, will all of you please go to the end of the "destruction of tyre" thread and help us. We are about to have a wonderful scholarly debate, but we are hung up on a matter . I am contending that certain very very basic elementary 101 survey course issues should be allowed to be argued and accepted without lengthy debate. I argued that the prophet Ezekiel was a captive in exile of the Babylonians and that given that he was a young literate intellectual it was likely that he was well treated and given some ministeriel "clerk" like positionof some sort in the Babylonian court or bureacracy. Does anyone here believe that such a postion would be "outland" that is clearly outside the generally accepted historical position of mainstream middleeastern scholars? thank you my friends.

Sauron

Instead of asking others for help, why don't you just prove this claim with some source or reference?

And again - generalities will not do here. You need to prove that it specifically applied to Ezekiel himself.

mata leao

please Sauron, I have sincerely and collegially asked for a second opinion. May I kindly have some other honest and intellectual responses from some people here?

noah

Well it's pretty obvious is it not mata? You need to go and do some research. The skeptics and atheists use sources for their responses to you and other xians. Why is it that so few of you xians ever use sources to respond to non-believers?

Helpmabob

Hi mata leao - I'll be no help whatsoever, but can I ask - why is it important to know exactly who Ezekial was? Bearing in mind that he lived 2.5k years ago, can we be allowed some leeway in knowing all the details of him? Are his words of wisdom and prophecy not much more important than who he was? hmb.

Vorkosigan

On this board whether something is outside the mainstream is less important than the supporting argument for it. What evidence can you put forward that would support this speculation? Many are the tales that are plausible, but few are the stories that are supported by evidence....

Vorkosigan

Roger Pearse

Would that it were so...

Perhaps because we get tired of demands for proof from those who have nothing to offer for their own position but vituperation?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Johnny Skeptic

I agree with you, but why do Christians refer to the events that are mentioned in Ezekiel 26 (the Tyre prophecy) as being a prophecy? What evidence is there that the "predictions" predated the events, and what evidence is there that the original version is the same version that we have today?

John A. Broussard

I just received a personal revelation from your god stating that Ezekiel was hired at 59,048 shekels per month to be the personal recording secretary for the then Babylonian ruler. He was awarded ministerial rank shortly afterwards, given full access to all clay tablets, and decorated with the Legion of the Ziggurat.

If you need more verification, please wait until the next personal revelation.

spin

That's a somewhat naughty response, Roger. Yes, it was a generalization, but as with most generalizations they do not cover 100% of the cases, otherwise they wouldn't be generalizations, but rules. So, let me make clear, not every christian who posts here is devoid of supporting evidence. In fact, you have been known on occasion to kow-tow to the rule of evidence.

And yes, there has been vituperation from newly reformed ex-christians. You'll have to bear with it. They have some cause.

However, you do keep bouncing back, but not because of the doses of vituperation.


spin