Chili

Sin is an illusion that exist only in the conscious mind which is the home of Magdalene who is called the temple tramp because she was the connection between Mary of the TOL and Adam of the TOK (Joseph here) who never knew Mary (while even she was betrothed to him).

Mary was from the TOL where neither time nor guilt is known but where freedom reigns supreme.

I should add that the only reason that sin and guilt is known in the TOK is that the TOK is the place wherein we live beside ourselves and thus were knowledge is second hand to us because it is prior to the TOL by which we are predestined. We are, and our life is, as it were, a second order enthymeme completing the major premiss that never was our own.

PhilosopherJay

Hi Kathryn,
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Originally, Jesus didn't have a mother. That's the joke in Mark's scene where someone tells Jesus that his Mother, brother and sisters are outside. Because he doesn't have a mother, brother or sister, he says that his followers are his Mother, brothers and sisters.

Jesus did have a companion named Mary. She was changed into his sister and then into his mother (Gospel of Philip -- three walked with Jesus...all named Mary). Once he got a mother named Mary, Jesus could get brothers and sisters, but he was still without a father, that meant his mother Mary was a whore. But Jesus' mother couldn't be a whore, God forbid. In fact, she must be the furthest thing from a whore, so she had to be a virgin. If she was a virgin and gave birth to Jesus, she had to be 12 years old. Thus the Virgin Mary was first constructed in the last years of the Second century.
She still didn't have a husband; however, since a nice man named Joseph had claimed his body we may suppose that he was Jesus' father. Thus we get the construction of Jesus' father, Joseph.

Warmly,

Philosopher Jay

xaxxat

Yeah, I really didn't expect a straight answer... :wave:

Sheshbazzar

I am NOT a Catholic, however,
There is no valid reason to "assume" that Joseph was around 35-40.
From a practical aspect there is no reason that he could not have been fathering children as early as age sixteen (as still often happens), there is also the possibility of multiple births, twins, triplets, or? (perhaps explains the demise of his former wife, or wives?)
The cultural aspect is that the Scriptural injunction to "multiply!" was taken as a commandment.
Thus it is easily possible that Joseph may have fathered six or more children before his twentieth birthday.

My wife and I, being long-time childhood sweethearts, married young, with her parents permission, as she was sixteen, (no, it was not a "shotgun wedding", our first child came fourteen months latter) and I had fathered two children well before my twentieth birthday.
There are a great many couples that have began even earlier, and have produced quite large families by the age of twenty five, even today.

lpetrich

Malachi151 is right -- it is the doctrine of Mary's "perpetual virginity". This means, of course, that her husband Joseph never had sex with her, meaning that the two had had a celibate marriage. And because of that, such a marriage is sometimes called a "Josephite marriage".

Also, the Immaculate Conception is the dogma that Mary was conceived free of original sin, even though her parents were guilty of it.

Chili

But don't forget that they were all Galileans (neighbors there) who must have the same mother which is proof of the perpetual virginity of Mary that is required for an immaculate conception. These facts do not change Mary but should change our idea of Mary. That is why they are given.

Galilee is our Purgatory and is Sotapanna in Buddhism where we/they become stream entrant and therefore must have the same mother. Mary is the water of the celestial sea out of which the son of man is born in answer to a genuine "who am I?"

Notice that the God nature of Jesus came from Mary and not from Joseph the Jew.

Chili

But Joseph built the temple that Jesus would destroy and rebuilt in tree days. The age given there is 46 (Jn.2:20). It is a good age for meno-pauze and typical of the midlife crisis. Meno means "I remain" as in 'I become eternal' and that is what the gospels are all about.

From what I have read the most common age to become stream entrant is 38.

Chili

When did they get married?

It was the intergrity of Joseph that kept her a virgin and our integrity is easily ruptured if you ever felt an evangelist tugging on it. That is what the captivity of Mary is about in Luke, and of course, is why the sin against the HS is unforgivable because we can only be a virgin once.

Chili

I did not mean to dodge anything but sin does not exist outside of religion or Pilate would have known why Jesus was to be charged. Pilate looked at the man and saw nothing wrong while the pharisees looked at the Jew and saw everything wrong. That Pilate looked at the man is repeated three times so you would not miss it and also the phrase "we have our own Laws and by those he must be crucified" is added to make it obvious that sin is religion specific aimed only to convict the sin nature of man.