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Old 10-29-2007, 10:29 AM   #51
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No Robots, your Joseph Klausner seems to be a devout Xtian
How 'bout that? A Christian who was a professor of Jewish history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, who ran for President of Israel, and who had an Israeli stamp in his honour!
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OK, another uneducated comment from me:

It seems that those who hold to an HJ have a very wide divergence on just who this HJ might have been. For example, look at this list.

One wonders whether the HJ consists mostly of projection by the scholars who have created him. Could they possibly be talking about the same person?

This wide range of views of the HJ does not negate his existence, but IMO it does show how little there really is to go on.

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2 of his "authentic sayings" which you list are screamingly falsifiable.
How about less screaming and more falsifying, hmm?
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IMO it does show how little there really is to go on.
The problem is that the method of inquiry is generally inadequate. As Brunner puts it:
Until now there has never been a real picture of the character of Christ because the necessary and indispensable means were never applied. What can we say about Christ if we are not really acquainted with Judaism, if we have not made the distinction between prophetic and pharisaic Judaism, if we are not aware of the part played by the oral Torah, of the relation of the ammé haaretz to educated society? And above all, what can we say about Christ unless we are aware of mysticism and genius and the Doctrine of the Spiritual Elite and the Multitude (which alone can explain how the historical Christ has become the dogmatic Christ), unless we ourselves are free from superstition? The so-called "critical" method has contributed nothing to the portrayal of Christ's genuine character.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:42 AM   #55
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2 of his "authentic sayings" which you list are screamingly falsifiable.
How about less screaming and more falsifying, hmm?
Which I did in the next 2 sentences. Not exhaustively, as that is off topic.

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How 'bout that? A Christian who was a professor of Jewish history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, who ran for President of Israel, and who had an Israeli stamp in his honour!
Klausner called himself a Jew and wrote that? My mistake. Apologies.

Color me confused. Secular uncritical Jew in love with Jesus, sounds like. I'll read up more...
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:48 AM   #56
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Which I did in the next 2 sentences. Not exhaustively, as that is off topic.
You claim without evidence or argument that the pericope of the adultress and the conflict with the Pharisees are inauthentic: that is what I call screaming.


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Secular uncritical Jew in love with Jesus, sounds like.
More unsupported screaming.
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From the Wikipedia bio, it does not appear that Joseph Klausner was ever a Christian.
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No Robots: You claim without evidence or argument that the pericope of the adultress and the conflict with the Pharisees are inauthentic: that is what I call screaming.
The adultress pericope was discussed early on in this thread.

I don't think the Pharisee (psuedo?) conflict was discussed here yet, but Robert Price details this somewhat in his The Incredibly Shrinking Son of Man.
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The adultress pericope was discussed early on in this thread.
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I don't think the Pharisee (psuedo?) conflict was discussed here yet, but Robert Price details this somewhat in his The Incredibly Shrinking Son of Man.
I'm sure Magdlyn thanks you for your assistance.
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The adultress pericope was discussed early on in this thread.
Where?

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Sorry, I should have said "on the Ehrman thread".
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