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Old 10-01-2009, 11:31 AM   #91
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That still doesn't address the historical issue I presented, which has nothing to do with church collection plates.
Jesus said My house is a house of worship, but you are making it a den of robbers! I believe he is talking about the congregation taxing it's members. And not what you said.
I think it is den of worship and house of robbers.
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Nor the simple, proven, and self-admitted fact that IBIH is not a 'Christian' nor a member of THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH as it is defined by testimony of The Bible.
He does not practice the Christian religion, and does not peaceably fellowship among The Brethren, nor, by so separating himself, and ordaining himself as being of greater authority than all others, hearken at all to any authority above his own, in professing to be a one man church.

Such is NOT at all the way of real Christians, Nor did The Lord Jesus at any time give any member of His CHURCH any such instruction.
He brings accusations against The Christian Church, and selectively ignores the words of of The Lord Jesus Christ.
One might well consider what this reveals concerning this individuals true character, and from whom he comes, and whom it is that he most truly serves.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The Jesus I know wouldn't be accepted in many modern churches because the blood and dirt on his feet would stain their pretty new carpets.

Many churches charge it's congretation to worship idols. Sound familiar?

And I'm not a one man church. There are many Christians who are disgusted with modern churches.. I'm NOT the only one. Many Catholics quit attending services because of a pedophile who couldn't keep his hands off kids. Do you consider these people non-christian because of this action?


I'm only following what GOD said to do, and what NOT to do. I follow YHWH because his word is sacred.
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No you are NOT following what God said. Forsaking His CHURCH, you come here and twist and abuse His words, endeavoring to mislead men as to what The Bible and The CHURCH teaches, by employing misquoted, misinterpreted sayings, half-truths, and blatant lies.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. The Jesus I know wouldn't be accepted in many modern churches because the blood and dirt on his feet would stain their pretty new carpets.

Many churches charge it's congretation to worship idols. Sound familiar?

And I'm not a one man church. There are many Christians who are disgusted with modern churches.. I'm NOT the only one. Many Catholics quit attending services because of a pedophile who couldn't keep his hands off kids. Do you consider these people non-christian because of this action?


I'm only following what GOD said to do, and what NOT to do. I follow YHWH because his word is sacred.
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No you are NOT following what God said. Forsaking His CHURCH, you come here and twist and abuse His words, endeavoring to mislead men as to what The Bible and The CHURCH teaches, by employing misquoted, misinterpreted sayings, half-truths, and blatant lies.


Certainly believing and spreading lies about evolution, geology and paleontology!

Doenst matter that he may think what he is spreading is true. It does matter that it isnt, and that no effort was made to determine whether it was true.

There is a serious moral issue there.

If I had some sort of concern that hellfire might be mine if I misbehaved, i would take a bit to look at the possible consequences of recklessly spreading falsehoods.
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Jesus said My house is a house of worship, but you are making it a den of robbers! I believe he is talking about the congregation taxing it's members.
In the context of the story, the complaint is supposedly regarding the fee being charged for those wishing to offer a proper sacrifice.

This is not the same as tithing or the collection plate.
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That still doesn't address the historical issue I presented, which has nothing to do with church collection plates.
Jesus said My house is a house of worship, but you are making it a den of robbers! I believe he is talking about the congregation taxing it's members. And not what you said.
What "congregation"? Did you not read what I wrote? For passover, Jews have to come from all over the world to the temple to buy the necessary animal to offer as a sacrifice. It is completely inconvenient for a Jew to bring livestock for sacrifice from all sorts of far away lands, so they buy them from vendors at the temple.

It has nothing to do with any taxing.
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The people of Israel brought the tithe of their increase to The Temple in obedience to The commandments of The Law (and The Law and The sacrifices yet stood)
The requirement was that the tithe be paid in 'The Shekel of The Sanctuary' this was no common coin and was not in general circulation as money (legal tender) but was employed within the sacred precincts.
(Look up 'Shekel of The Sanctuary')
The job of the 'money changers' was to exchange the common 'worldly' coins being brought in by the pilgrims, for 'Sanctuary shekels' and for providing this 'service' they charged a fee, one that according to the tale, The Nazarene evidently considered too high and thus objectionable, also evidently incensed at -where- this money changing -business- was taking place, so distracting from due reverence and worship.

I must add concerning the annual requirement of paying the 'half shekel' Temple tax, this was an exact amount that each Israelite was expected to pay, as such, regardless of what manner of foreign coinage came in, The Temple Shekel set the 'standard' by which all lesser or common coinage was measured, and weighed, thus the exactly 'half shekel' requirement would be an expression of the YHWH's ultimate dominion over all weights and measures, A foreign 'standard' or amount would not do, but must be exchanged for HIS 'standard',
which of course holds deeper theological significations.

But again, this narrative event took place before the Crucifixion, while The Law was yet in effect and to be obeyed for righteousness sake,
and has no immediate connection with the latter Christian practice of collecting for the common welfare and works of The Christian Church.
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Nor the simple, proven, and self-admitted fact that IBIH is not a 'Christian' nor a member of THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH as it is defined by testimony of The Bible.
He does not practice the Christian religion, and does not peaceably fellowship among The Brethren, nor, by so separating himself, and ordaining himself as being of greater authority than all others, hearken at all to any authority above his own, in professing to be a one man church.

Such is NOT at all the way of real Christians, Nor did The Lord Jesus at any time give any member of His CHURCH any such instruction.
He brings accusations against The Christian Church, and selectively ignores the words of of The Lord Jesus Christ.
One might well consider what this reveals concerning this individuals true character, and from whom he comes, and whom it is that he most truly serves.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The Jesus I know wouldn't be accepted in many modern churches because the blood and dirt on his feet would stain their pretty new carpets.

Many churches charge it's congretation to worship idols. Sound familiar?

And I'm not a one man church. There are many Christians who are disgusted with modern churches.. I'm NOT the only one. Many Catholics quit attending services because of a pedophile who couldn't keep his hands off kids. Do you consider these people non-christian because of this action?

I'm only following what GOD said to do, and what NOT to do. I follow YHWH because his word is sacred.
So you keep all 613 commandments? I have asked you this several times. You have never answered.
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Do you have a camera, any photographs, magazines, pictures, a TV at home?
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Do you have a camera, any photographs, magazines, pictures, a TV at home?
OMG.............he has been looking at a COMPUTER SCREEN!
he has seen of the image.

and money.....
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You have no idea what you're talking about. The Jesus I know wouldn't be accepted in many modern churches because the blood and dirt on his feet would stain their pretty new carpets.

Many churches charge it's congretation to worship idols. Sound familiar?

And I'm not a one man church. There are many Christians who are disgusted with modern churches.. I'm NOT the only one. Many Catholics quit attending services because of a pedophile who couldn't keep his hands off kids. Do you consider these people non-christian because of this action?


I'm only following what GOD said to do, and what NOT to do. I follow YHWH because his word is sacred.
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"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some ; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."
No you are NOT following what God said. Forsaking His CHURCH, you come here and twist and abuse His words, endeavoring to mislead men as to what The Bible and The CHURCH teaches, by employing misquoted, misinterpreted sayings, half-truths, and blatant lies.
I'm in the process of finding a church. I do not condemn all churches. I condemn the ones who want people to empty their bank accounts in the name of Jesus. THOSE are the churches that I believe are wicked. And yes, I AM FORESAKING his church. Most churches are nothing but scam artists.
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