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I would argue to you, however, AA, that Jesus as a mere mortal is actually the very least likely and unsupportable scenario. It is the scenario most in line with liberal Enlightenment era de-mythologizing, which performed the same exercise on all manner of mythical stories, from Buddha to King Arthur, but the reality is that when you look at the evidence, the evidence falls along two prominent means of explanation: Either Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and hundreds of prophecies were fulfilled and peculiarities with this story and the historical record are explained by the very nature of his powers and because he wanted it to be that way, or there was no Jesus to begin with, and the ideas about Jesus emerged from existing myths and stories and scriptures, hence the reason his story appears "to have been foretold".
What there is no evidence for, is a real mortal person that has anything to do with th Jesus story. We find tons of evidence in the scriptures and other writings for "Jesus", either these were prophecies that were fulfilled, or these were sources that were plagiarized, take your pick. |
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19th C authors like Graves and Remberg worked off earlier writers like Count Volney [1757-1820] and Charles Dupuis [1742–1809]. The 1790s is the earliest that I've been able to find personally. Here is an interesting passage from Remsberg (1848-1919), in his work "The Christ": http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/rmsbrg09.htm The conceptions regarding the nature and character of Christ, and the value of the Christian Scriptures as historical evidence, are many, chief of which are the following(ETA) I just found this. Remsberg notes that "two notable works controverting the divinity of Christ appeared in the last century, the Leben Jesu of Strauss, and the Vie de Jesus of Renan.": http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/...00.htm#PREFACE "We must get rid of that Christ, we must get rid of that Christ!" So spake one of the wisest, one of the most lovable of men, Ralph Waldo Emerson. "If I had my way," said Thomas Carlyle, "the world would hear a pretty stern command -- Exit Christ." Since Emerson and Carlyle spoke a revolution has taken place in the thoughts of men. The more enlightened of them are now rid of Christ. From their minds he has made his exit... But priestcraft lives and conjures up the ghost of this dead god to frighten and enslave the masses of mankind. The name of Christ has caused more persecutions, wars, and miseries than any other name has caused. The darkest wrongs are still inspired by it... |
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