Her pinkness saves

And i do use the word "theories" extremely losely.

anywayz, last night i was guarding imaginary cars for 12 hours (oh how i love you schecduling department), and i got to thinking about what little i know about the bible and Egypt, and an idea sort of struck me.

Anyway, i was in the middle of 'the molecule hunt' by Martin jones, and when it hit the bit about Egyptian cultural symbols/practises being prevalent throughout the world and a particular scientist attributing it to a sort of cultural mass exodus. (the idea was later poo-pood down to more realistic forms).

anyway, it contained an off the cuff remark about the gods being envious of the first pyramids and the two ideas stewed around in the back of my mind for the rest of the night.


anyway, the idea is, it is possible that the 5 books of moses could all be tied from Egypt? [or at least, the babel story + the exodus]. From the lurking knowledge i have amassed, there is:
a). no evidence of a massive exodus.
b). no evidence of a babel event.
c). the caanites didn't really have alot of Egyptian junk in what we know of their language/culture.

so, the idea.

could the two relevant stories (and possibly the 5 books of moses) have their basis in the construction of the first pyramid which offended some particular Fundy sun cult who caused a ruckus, ended up being kicked out of Egypt, leaving what they must have seen as "damned" Egypt for the lands of Canaan where they eventually culturally jumped into bed with a local tribe that would eventually give rise to the Hebrews?

over time, things got fanciful, the "exodus" account was split into two separate stories, noah's flood and the book of exodus, both featuring a particular jealous god getting angry and saving a select group of chosen. with the babel story detailing the reasoning for the expulsion and the cultural separation form the "heathen" Egyptians and throwing in with the Canaanites?

is there any evidence of a sub sect of Egyptian culture getting annoyed at the extravagance of the pyramids? is there any evidence of an Egyptian religion that could, within reasonable doubt, merge with Canaanite religion to form something comparable with Judaism as portrayed in the book of exodus? do you know of any cultural references to a burning bush or the sun coming "down" from heavens? or was this all before Ra began to dominate Egyptian culture?

before anyone starts laughing out loud, no, i most certainly am not under any illusions that i am in any way, shape or form correct.

quite frankly, I'm posting this because having the guys here tear it apart is alot quicker and more efficient then picking up a half dozen books on Egypt. it's just an interesting idea i had, and i like dissecting ideas. so if you could lamblast it, or just point me the right way, thanks.

S.C.Carlson

I remember reading something that argued that only the tribe of the Levites was involved in an Egyptian sojourn, exodus, etc., with the other, geographical tribes having been in Canaan all along. However, I forgot who argued that, where it was, or even if it's a scholarly treatment.

Stephen

davidc

I believe Freud had postulated that Moses was a senior official in the court of Akhenaten. In fact, Egyptologist Ahmed Osman has taken that hypothesis one step further, arguing that Moses was Akhenaten.

Nazaroo

Aleister Crowley of course developed and refined the theory in even greater depth, noting that he himself was Akhenaten, but that the spelling should be Ackhenaten.

Sarpedon

No, no, and no.

The prevalence of pyramids has to do with the structural characteristics of stone: namely that tapering shapes are more stable than non tapering shapes.

2nd the pyramids were built long before ANY scholar claims the exodus occurred.

Finally, the gods that would have caused a flood would not have been solar deities. Ra, Horus, Atum and Khepera were solar deities. The gods who would have caused a flood would have been Sobek or Osiris.

Her pinkness saves

umm... yea, i wasn't exactly questioning their structural integrity.

what? I believe i was suggesting that the root of the exodus story came from a very small "exodus" that occurred after the first pyramids were built and was later fleshed out into the modern myth found in the book that shares the name. it went from "a small group of crackpots getting booted out of Egypt and wandering into Canaanite" to "an entire people 'oppressed' by Egyptian rule, miraculously freed and conquering the land of Canaan".


yay! something relevant!

were these gods [sobek/Osiris] associated with the first pyramids? were they considered jealous gods? are there any comparable Egyptian myths of the "death" of a large group of "sinners" or was the concept of being "damned" completely foreign to their culture?

Sarpedon

Now, have you identified the 'fundy sun cult' that might have been offended by a pyramid, or did you just assume its existence?

It really seems that you've made up a ridiculous theory, with no evidence at all, and you want me to do your research for you.

And yes, Osiris would have been associated with the pyramids, as the dead Pharaoh entombed within was said to have 'become Osiris.'