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Old 04-25-2007, 11:16 AM   #71
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Hmm.

Peter's done so much work to lay a solid foundation of research that undermines most fundamentalist beliefs and axioms, including many of the Catholic Church.

So it'll be interesting to see what Peter's personal statement of faith looks like, given all his research and writings. I really can't see him retracting his previous research; there wasn't anything wrong with it in the first place.

My guess is that he'll gravitate to a liberal Catholic theology, with an emphasis on personal mysticism.
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Some posts that don't have much to do with Peter have been split of to elsewhere
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I notice that KeithJM has posted over there and asked "What exactly is faith?".

If people were wanting an insight into Peter's thinking they might find his answer interesting. It starts: "Whatever faith is, it is not the simplistic "belief without sufficient evidence" definition bandied about by enemies of faith."
I've also had several conversations with Peter through IRC, and while I can't speak for him, I think it's a matter of him finding atheism to be unfulfilling on some deep level. Different strokes for different folks. I can certainly empathize with his decision, and I don't think going into a feeding frenzy over it will help.
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My guess is that he'll gravitate to a liberal Catholic theology, with an emphasis on personal mysticism.
He's self-describing as a Catholic Naturalist, so I don't know about the personal mysticism bit.
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Old 04-25-2007, 01:45 PM   #75
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He's self-describing as a Catholic Naturalist, so I don't know about the personal mysticism bit.
What do you mean? Mysticism is compatible with both Catholicism and naturalism. It would seem that the incompatibility is with naturalism and theism.
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Old 04-25-2007, 01:54 PM   #76
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It's not pathetic, it's entirely human.
I disagree. I think that it is both pathetic and human, which of course recognizes that being pathetic is a part of the human condition.

Not that I think that PK is pathetic, but I do think that such an embrace of "faith" is pathetic. People are complicated. One pathetic quality doesn't make the whole pathetic.

At any rate, thanks for the contributions Peter and best of luck to you.
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Old 04-25-2007, 03:05 PM   #77
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He's self-describing as a Catholic Naturalist, so I don't know about the personal mysticism bit.
Maybe it's because I'm not familiar with Catholicism as I am with Protestantism. Can someone explain what a Catholic Naturalist is?

Thanks.
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Maybe it's because I'm not familiar with Catholicism as I am with Protestantism. Can someone explain what a Catholic Naturalist is?

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From what I gather it's a non-supernaturalist Catholic. Your guess as to what that entails in terms of belief is as good as mine.
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From what I gather it's a non-supernaturalist Catholic. Your guess as to what that entails in terms of belief is as good as mine.
Ah.

Well, hopefully it doesn't mean that Peter has converted to the local branch of Church of the Messiah Larsguy.:Cheeky:
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Non-supernaturalist Catholic is a contradiction in terms and its a sign of confusion in my view. I hope he sorts whatever turmoil he is going through soon. Whatever series of highs he has to go through for kicks, thrills, personal comfort or whatever it is he is after, I hope it turns out alright.
Seeing as we are moving from computer gaming to non-Supernaturalist Catholic, who knows, he may next be into underwater skydiving or scientific spirituality.
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