MadPhatCat

Here's a trip down memory lane to help you with the "why"...

Now if you came in on your own (instead of to defend your grumpy friend), saying that you were a fan, but you had problems with parts of this show, what do you think the reaction would be? Do you think you'd get the same reaction as your pompous non-TV watching friend who swoops in to hate on this one TV show when he has major problems with TV in general?

Pomp

I don't see any 'why' there. I see that 99percent's apparently lost his ability to enjoy the show thanks to having some of its flaws pointed out to him, and I see that Tom Sawyer apparently read one of Perms' secret posts that I don't have access to, in which he states that he doesn't like the show and doesn't intend to watch it, but, sorry, I don't see why criticisms of your favorite show is being treated as blasphemous.

Nostalgic Pushhead

Because this is the "Lost Season 3" thread, a tradition which dates back to the "Lost Season 1" thread and which was continued by me in the "Lost Season 2" thread. A glance at the history of this series of threads will tell you that they are designed as a meeting place for fans of Lost to discuss happenings on the show; and while all are invited to point out their dissapointments and annoyances alongside their praise and theorizing, these threads were not meant to be and have never been used as an open forum for criticism of the show's intrinsic quality.

Several "Lost sucks" threads have been started in the past and I think everyone here agrees that if you wish to complain about the general quality of the show, a new thread would be a more reasonable venue.

Pomp

Fair enough, and that makes a lot more sense than the 'oh emm gee, if you don't like the show why are you posting about it' bullshit MadPhatCat is pushing.

As far as the actual topic, I was mostly unimpressed by the season 3 opener. I thought season 2 ended on a very strong note, so I guess maybe my expectations were too high. I'm probably also biased in that Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are probably my least favorite of the main characters, and I was far more interested in finding out what happened to Locke and Eko.

The first five minutes were cool, although the bit about reaching the tail section in an hour raises some questions about how big the island is and why no one (i.e. Rousseau) has stumbled across Other Town yet.

I'm digging the Juliet character. They killed off one of the only two strong female characters on the show last season (and the other one is batshit crazy), and I'm glad to see them introduce another. I hope she becomes a main character.

I wanted to throw something at my TV when I saw that the writers weren't content with letting the island be a metephorical Skinner box, and had to go and throw Sawyer into a literal Skinner box, although Zeke's condescending 'You got yourself a fish biscuit!' line almost made up for it.

Gawd, I can't stand Jack flashbacks. I always groan when I realize it's goign to be a Jack episode or a Kate episode. Lessee, we learned that Jack is a control freak with a propensity to become unhinged and that he has reason to feel partially responsible for his father's death. Oh, wait, no, we already knew those things, so the flashbacks didn't develop his character or the plot at all. (Yes, I realize we're supposed to see him making progress in learning to let go, but we knew enough about his character already for him to make that step, so the flashback was unneccessary, and only existed because, by convention, we have to have a flashback.)

I actually kinda dug the Sawyer/Kate scene at the end, which is weird, b/c I can't stand either of them, but it was kinda cool that they put the two of them in a situation where she has to depend on him for food and he has to give without expecting payment.

Anyway, there, I'm on topic, and I didn't even bitch (much) about the show's shortcomings. =p

Perm

Notice one difference? The other two DROPPED IT after a single post. More than likely after I clarified both the good and bad points of the show. You are what is known as a fanboy. Don't worry, Lost will have season 4-10 coming, no matter what you or I say, you can relax now.

I'm not grumpy at all, in fact I'm what nearly anyone would describe as relaxed or "laid back."

The only person reading me the riot act is YOU. Could I have started my own thread and complained about the characters? Yes. Is there a need for it? No. I saw the thread, I knew season 3 had just started, so I weighed in with my opinion so far on the show while reading about how people feel about season 3, to hopefully help me decide on whether or not to continue watching season 2. Despite your best efforts to drive me away, I probably will continue watching.

Every club has its fanboys, but you should be the president and CEO of Lost's club. YOU are the one that attributed me to saying TV was "beneath" me or how I was "too good" for Lost. You can go back and reread my posts for the actual content, if you wish... maybe the red has cleared from your eyes enough by now from someone criticizing Lost in any fashion. If I can summarize though, it's the potential Lost has that disappoints me more than anything. A great premise for a show that is buried in some very run-of-the-mill garbage. If they had not bailed out with a lot of the cliches in order to reach the lowest common denominator (probably, once again, compelled to do so by their advertisers), it could be flat-out brilliant.

As an aside, I didn't even know Pomp posted in this thread until yesterday, so he wasn't coming here to "defend" me at my behest. The only even semi-valid point you've made is that I could have dug up a "I don't like Lost" thread and posted there. Like I explained above though, this is the current thread and it is relevant to discuss the finer and lesser points of the show in a thread about the show. If this were the IIDB "Lost" forum, I would tend to agree with your assessment, as it stands.. I don't.

Pendaric

<Mod Warning: Keep it civil and related to the discussion in hand please people>

MadPhatCat

Well it was actually about how someone doesn't like *TV* but decided to swoop into a thread to whine specifically about *Lost*. Which is just ridiculous. On top of that, as it was noted, this thread is called "Lost Season 3" so it is not the place for someone to whine about the first half of Season 1 as they did in their first post. Now that your strawman is gone, perhaps you will see nothing I said is BS, just good common sense.

Anywhoo, glad you actually decided to devote the majority of your post to Season 3...

mike all together

I find myself enjoying MadPhatCat's abrasive postings a lot more when I am agreeing with them.

TerriNPA

I think it is because the people who snatched them were the other others, the ones Eko and Jin saw barefoot and in ragged clothes.

who is to say she hasn't? or perhaps she was brainwashed? or so crazy she doesn't remember seeing it?

I too wonder why she hasn't found that village yet. If she actually did search every inch of the island she would have had to see the village from the high peaks around the village!?

ugh, i hated AnaL. I loved Libby, nuts or not. I would have loved to see the reaction when Libby and Desmond would meet. alas that is not to be. and I love Juliet.

Perm

Just following your lead, eh?

At least someone is enjoying it... "abrasive" (to me) is a rough or crass posting style, but at least has some intellectual merit. MPC is basically a fanboy, he's not even pretending to read the content (or at least place the content in an appropriate context) of the posts anymore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy