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Deus Ex · 03-15-2010, 06:29 AM

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Everything that you think you know about God comes from a collection of human books that often contradict each other. Let me stress that again: a collection of human written books

So you hav the gift of reading other people's minds even when you have never met the person. You would be wrong about that, as God is also known through his creative act, his miracles, His answering of prayers.

What creative act? What miracles have you observed? What prayers have been answered?

I have lived for 42 years and have not witnessed any miracles, nor have I seen any evidence for a miraculous intercession due to prayer.

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You would also be wrong about those books contradicting each other as well.

If one begins examining the books of the bible with a presupposition of inerrancy, then one will not allow themselves to see the errors which are glaringly obvious to those of us with an open mind.

Look at these:
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...istencies.html

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You can't demote the Bible to a human book for it does not work and if you do a real study you would see that there are no contradictions in it.

I have studied the bible. I was a Christian for several decades. My studies convinced me that the bible is just a collection of human writings - no different than the man-made scriptures of all other world religions.

Deus Ex · 03-15-2010, 06:45 AM

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By what criteria have you determined that the protestant bible is the Word of a deity?

I do not have to make the criteria, God has already done that.

Circular reasoning at its finest. The bible claims to be the word of god and you trust its claim because it is the word of god.

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How do you know that a deity is not behind the writing of the Quran, the Avesta, or Hindu Scriptures? What methodology do you use to determine that a book has been written by God?

Besides the fact that the Quran stole material from the Old TEstament, besides the fact that history, archaeology, science cannot prove the Bible untrue and actually show it is, there is the simple reasonthat the only scriptures or religious writings that are attacked constantly or adapted for other cultic works is the Bible. this has gone on for over 2, 000 years and no other religious writings get that honor.

That tells you something right there.

The authors of the New Testament stole material from Hebrew scriptures. History, science, and archaeology can never prove the supernatural claims found in your holy book. It is upon you believers to provide evidence for the extraordinary claims of your holy book; the burden is not on skeptics to disprove the outrageous claims of theists.

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What methodology do you use to determine that a book has been written by God?

Do not need a methodology. The Bible is not science and believing it does not follow scientific rules but God's. You take it by faith then you see it in action by the aforementioned reasons for knowing God.

A Muslim can say the same thing. You are simply a dogmatic, indoctrinated believer with no good evidence to support your claims.

spin · 03-15-2010, 06:58 AM

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God is also known through his creative act, his miracles, His answering of prayers.

Which creative acts of god have you been privy to? Which big miracles? The answering of prayers leads to such subjectivity that it offers no assistance to your argument. I'll wait for your experience of creative acts and I'm sus regarding miracles as well, unless they have some disinterested verification.

But then, let's attribute some miracle or other to reality for a moment: how does one test the origin of the miracle? Does it come with a seal impression saying "I did this," signed "god"?

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