The pivotal "textual evidence" via Eusebius via Irenaeus concerning a mention of
The Gnostic Gospel of Judas is being used to date gJudas to the supposed epoch of Irenaeus.
See the claims below ....
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It has been speculated, on the basis of textual analysis concerning features of dialect and Greek loan words, that the current Coptic fourth century text may be a translation from an older Greek manuscript dating, at the earliest, to approximately AD 130–180.[2] Cited in support is the reference to a “Gospel of Judas” by the early Christian writer Irenaeus of Lyons, who, in arguing against Gnosticism, called the text a "fictitious history" (Refutation of Gnosticism, bk. 1 ch. 31). However, it is uncertain whether this text mentioned by Irenaeus is in fact the same text as the Coptic “Gospel of Judas” of the extant fourth century text, and there remains no solid evidence for an early Greek version.[3]
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What was the relationship between the writer of the "CHURCH HISTORY" known as Eusebius, and the Gnostic authors of works such as gJudas?
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Originally Posted by aa5874
My position is that the "HISTORY" of the ROMAN CHURCH was INVENTED when the writer under the name of Eusebius wrote "CHURCH HISTORY".
The writer did CONFESS that he had NOTHING but some fragments at the start.
This would imply that from the day the writer was born to the very day he started to write he ONLY knew of or had some fragments. No-one had told him about any LIBRARIES full of books that were easily accessible . He could NOT have had the letter from Jesus to Agbar NOR have Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings, just some fragment
For his ENTIRE supposed Christian life up to the day he wrote he admitted he had ONLY some fragments.
Examine excerpts of the CONFESSION from the "FIRST historian" of the Church.
"Church History" 1.1
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....I pray that I may have God as my guide and the power of the Lord as my aid, since I am unable to find even the bare footsteps of those who have traveled the way before me, except in brief fragments, in which some in one way, others in another, have transmitted to us particular accounts of the times in which they lived....
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Now the "FIRST historian" did NAME some of the writers that he used to INVENT the "History of the Church" and Irenaeus is on the list.
Irenaeus supposedly supplied the list of the FIRST 12 Bishops of Rome and it is almost certain that any list which contains a character called the apostle Peter as a Bishop of Rome is a bogus list.
And it was the ROMAN CHURCH in the 4th century that NEEDED a list that could show that the apostle Peter was the so-called FIRST bishop of the Roman Church.
But the apostle Peter did NOT exist.
Parts of or ALL of the writings of Irenaeus were INVENTED for the 4th century ROMAN CHURCH under control by the Emperor of Rome. |
Who aa5875 do you suspect were the "Gnostic heretics" who appear to have vehemently espoused a
docetic Jesus?
More specifically, was that PART of Irenaeus INVENTED which makes mention of the existence of the gJudas?
09-05-2010, 09:54 PM
The implication that Irenaeus's citation concerning the gJudas was "retrojected" ...
