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06-23-2012, 06:13 PM | #31 |
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Neil Godfrey and I figured this out several years ago. The major Markan miracles are literary prefigurings of the Resurrection and Rising. The paralytic is representation of Jesus being lowered into the Tomb (house), which He will shortly Rise (walk) out from.
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But only evangelicals think that Jesus raised himself
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Have Faith and You Don't Have to Serve the Time for the Crime
I tend to agree with Logical.
This is a "faith will be rewarded" motif. In these little stories, someone does something that is ordinarily considered wrong, but because they did it out of the good motive of being faithful, they are rewarded. The story probably originally referred to Exodus 2:22: "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; The medieval Jewish scholar Maimonides notes, "[The license to kill] applies to a thief caught breaking in or one caught on a person’s roof, courtyard or enclosed area, whether during the day or during the night . ." It is like the Abraham sacrificing Isaac story. Ordinarily sacrificing your son is a crime. However if you do it to show your faith or trust, it is not a crime and should be rewarded. In this case, entering someone's house through the roof is ordinarily a criminal action. Instead of having the men arrested as we would expect, Jesus takes it as an act done in good faith and heals the man. We get the same motif in this story in Mattthew: Quote:
One would suspect that in an earlier version of the story, Jesus just went into the house of the Roman and healed. Jews would criticize Jesus for entering the house of an oppressor. Matthew invents the little speech to explain why Jesus did it - to help a person of faith regardless that he was a Roman and also to make the correction that Jewish didn't actually enter the house. The motif is also in this tale: Quote:
In Deuteronomy 25:11-12 Quote:
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Another faith motif story is in Mark 10: Quote:
Finally, there is this tale in Luke: Quote:
Again, the underlying moral of all these miracle stories is that even criminals and criminal actions are forgiven if you have faith in your religious leaders. Warmly, Jay Raskin Quote:
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The closest I can get to the passage in Clement (Paed 1.6.4)
But the good Instructor, the Wisdom, the Word of the Father, who made man, cares for the whole nature of His creature; the all-sufficient Physician of humanity, the Saviour, heals both body and soul. "Rise up," He said to the paralytic; "take the bed on which thou liest, and go away home;" and straightway the infirm man received strength. And to the dead He said, "Lazarus, go forth;" and the dead man issued from his coffin such as he was ere he died, having undergone resurrection. Further, He heals the soul itself by precepts and gifts--by precepts indeed, in course of time, but being liberal in His gifts, He says to us sinners, "Thy sins be forgiven thee." Ὁ σωτὴρ ἀνάστα, φησὶ τῷ παρειμένῳ, τὸν σκίμποδα ἐφ' ὃν κατάκεισαι λαβὼν ἄπιθι οἴκαδε ---------"Rise up," He said to the paralytic; "take the bed on which thou liest, and go away home;" It is crazy how different ALL of Clement's passages are here (even the Lazarus reference) to the canonical gospels. Matthew 9:6 τότε λέγει τῷ παραλυτικῷ Ἔγειρε ἀρόν σου την κλίνην καὶ ὕπαγε εἰς τὸν οἶκον σου Mark 2:11 Σοὶ λέγω, ἔγειρε καὶ ἆρον τὸν κράβαττόν σου καὶ ὕπαγε εἰς τὸν οἶκόν σου. Luke 5:24 σοὶ λέγω, ἔγειρε καὶ ἄρας τὸ κλινίδιον σου πορεύου εἰς τὸν οἶκον σου. Clement's word for bed is σκίμποδα. There is something fishy here. I would have to suppose that the three canonical gospels have been made to appear to be identical because something about the original story was problematic for the faith. |
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The Greek Church devotes the fourth Sunday of Passover to the narrative - Τὸ ῥῆµα Χριστοῦ σφίγµα τῷ παρειµένῳ (The word of the Christ was a brace for the Paralytic)
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The roof setup is in Luke. Matthew probably thought it reflected badly on Jesus making the paralyzed man come to him. Quote:
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See my (third) article in Noesis (but disregard the first paragraph under "Matthew") |
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Lots of scope, here. |
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