aa5874

Your statement that a human father is documented for Jesus in Mark 6.3 is completely erroneous.

Let us examine Mark 6 and you will see that author did NOT document that Jesus had a human father.

Mark 6:3 NIV There is NOTHING about a human father or the name of a human father for Jesus in gMark 6.3.

gMark's Jesus was a PHANTOM---a Myth that Walked on water and transfigured.

In gMatthew, Jesus was the Son of a Ghost and no human father was documented.

Let us examine Matthew 13.

Matthew 13:55 NIV These are all QUESTIONS and Jesus was NOT the carpenter's son. The author documented in Matthew 1.18-20 that Jesus was FATHERED by a Ghost.

Matthew 1:18 KJV You very well know that your statement is UTTERLY erroneous. There is NOT a single documented statement that Jesus had a human father in gMark and gMatthew.
It is documented that Jesus was the Son of a Ghost and that Jesus was WALKED on water.

LegionOnomaMoi

Nothing directly about the father, but about the human brothers. As the gospels no where state that these were sons of god (and distinguish Jesus as unique), then how could he have brothers?



Because, after all, no human has ever done things that eye-witnesses believed were miraculous or magical. Interesting also that a phantom is born, dies, has brothers, a mother, etc.



Now you are just violating and rejecting the very standards you set. You said :Yet here we have a "WRITTEN statement" from the NT canon no less: Mt. 13:55 explicitly documents a human father ascribed to jesus. There it is. In the evidence "You are NOT allowed to alter."

Yet we have contradictory evidence of a non-human father, just like we do with other historical figures like Alexander the Great.

So with Alexander the Great, you reject the "documented" human father evidence, and reject the "documented" non-human father evidence, and accept him as historical. With Jesus, you reject the "documented" human father evidence, and accept the "documented" non-human father evidence, and determine he's myth.


Then who is this carpenter who fathered Jesus?
The carpenter is the "ghost" you've been saying Jesus is the son of? That's your argument? Because if the carpenter isn't this ghost you keep referring to, but is an actual carpenter, then Matthew directly and explictily douments a human father of Jesus.

Just looking at modern times (between 1948 and 1993) it's "documented" that over a thousand people claimed to have been magically healed at Lourdes. In fact, whole medical teams (making sure that they are of different faiths or no faith) have been called in to investigate these claims. Of these, some small number are judged to be "medically inexplicable." The catholic church then judges if it was a miracle (18 made the cut at last count). Now, the non-religious doctors certainly don't think that a miracle occured, even if they couldn't explain the evidence through medicine. I would side with them.

The point, however, is that we have documented evidence even in the modern day of historical people either doing or being on the receiving end of the magical/miraculous. Something happened. Religious people interpret it one way, just as they did in Jesus' day. The rest of us believe something else happened.

aa5874

Well, you have discredited your ownself.

You stated that gMark documented a human father for Jesus and that turns out to be erroneous.

You stated that gMatthew documented a human father for Jesus when it actually documents that Jesus was FATHERED by a Ghost.

In order to argue with me you have got to be credible or else I will demolish your unsubstantiated claims.

Again, your statement is erroneous. We TWO have QUESTIONS.

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Matthew 13:55 NIV Question 1. "Isn't this the carpenter's son?

Look at the DOCUMENTED ANSWER in Matthew 1.18.

Matthew 1:18 KJV Please, you are not making much sense. Alexander the Great is NOT considered to be a figure of history because there were myth fables about him but because of historical and archaeological evidence.

Jesus of the NT is all Mythology.

Sheshbazzar

Ever notice how God hates amputees? How many amputees are documented as receiving a new arm, hand, leg or foot?
My cousin lost both arms in a farm accident 50 years ago, has attended church his whole life, and still Gawd won't give 'em back his limbs.

I attended fundamentalist congregations for years and there was hardly a week that went by that someone did not claim to have been miraculously healed or cured of one thing or another.
Most, if there really was anything wrong with them, were pushing up daisies soon enough in spite of their miracle.
Far as I can discern, Gawd is good for 'curing' farts caught crosswise and not much of anything else.

mountainman

The ancient historian Arnaldo Momigliano judges the rise of the 4th century christian heresiologists (along with their "Story of Big J"), as a "miracle", twice, and in rapid succession. Do you happen to side with him?

mountainman

Or in the case of heretics, a new head.

outhouse

LOl

just makes me want to ask which god

El
Yahweh
ghost
trinity
jesus
allah


the weakness of the human mind is pretty amazing

LegionOnomaMoi

"I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side, if you understand me"

mountainman

Touche LegionOnomaMoi !!!






Best wishes



Pete

Adam

Before this thread dies, isn't anyone going to try to tell us why Proto-Luke is not a legitimate gospel to prove the Historical Jesus, answering my posts #97, the link in #117 to my #576 in my Gospel Eyewitnesses http://www.freeratio.org/showthread....92#post7026392 ,
and my #118, #134, #141, #145, and #154?

You can't expect Shesh's insults to do your work for you. Or have you guys "solved" the problem by putting Shesh and me both on ignore?