Toto

Please stop repeating this. It's not based on fact.

The Romans did not deify a peasant, poverty stricken Jew. They accepted as a deity someone who descended from heaven, went through a human drama, died on a cross, and ROSE FROM THE DEAD. That's who they thought they were worshipping.

Your impoverished peasant is just a modern attempt to find a real person behind this mythical story. But no one worshiped that peasant as a god (except maybe for some 20th century Marxists.)

gurugeorge

Well, in general terms of what one might call a broad mythicist consensus (at least among those mythicists who accept the priority of Paul):-

The celestials are pre-Diaspora, the earthers are post-Diaspora. The post-Diaspora descendants of the celestials are the Gnostics and Docetists, with whom orthodoxy had plenty of disputes (and the Gnostics gave as good as they got, only we don't have as many surviving texts from them, but you can see some of their side of the story in a few of the Nag Hammadi texts and in the Judas gospel).

There were no fundamental disputes amongst the celestials pre-Diaspora (only disputes about things like circumcision, and how universal the Messiah's message was) - they were all celestials.

It's only after the Diaspora (when things must have been understandably scattered and confused) that the earthers start appearing and claiming they have the true religion and everyone else is a "heretic".

outhouse

sorry its based on as close to fact as gravity is fact.

its written in the scriptures were left with.


unlike the myths your imagining with zero evidence to back your statements.

mine is backed in scripture and in cultural anthropology of first century Galilee




scripture states he was a tekton, which in that time was a handworking renter who lived a life below the common peasant.

jesus told his followers to give up everything including the beggar bowls

you dont have beggar bowls if you have money

jesus also traveled teaching and healing for dinner scraps, its the way he survived.


roman oppression in Galilee was extremely terrible and the hardworking common jews lived a life that mirrored slavery.




so please stop with your nonsense because you dont understand life in galilee first century.




the problem with most mythers is they focus on attacking the status quo instead of learning the real histroy, to help apply historical methods to build a good solid case for mythology. Im finding you no different.

outhouse

here bud, heres a great book on the subject that will help bring you along.

Archaeology and the Galilean Jesus: A Re-examination of the Evidence (or via: amazon.co.uk)



this link will let you read some of it

http://books.google.com/books?id=Xra...page&q&f=false

Toto

Those scriptures are not fact.


Nope. If you are going to make statements like this, at least provide some citation - which cultural anthropologist supports you?

Only if you believe Mark was meant to be historically accurate - which the later gospel writers clearly did not, because they drop the line about Jesus being a tekton.

Just like the cynics...

That and rich women and multiplying loaves and fishes and pulling coins out of the air. If you don't believe the latter, why is it believable that Jesus was poor?
This doesn't explain anything. People who are poor and oppressed tend to stay that way. They're too busy trying to survive.

The Romans built roads and promoted commerce, so there was probably some increase in material prosperity as well as social disruption.

Which you know about because -- ?? Is this based on some TV program? What books have you read? Do you claim to be a time traveler? :Cheeky:

Do you claim to know more than Richard Carrier, who has a PhD in "real history" and is applying historical methods to build a case for mythicism?

Will Wiley

Yet there is no evidence of any disagreement between "earthers" and "celestials", after the diaspora. No one ever claimed that "earthers" were the true religion and "celestial" were heretics. We lack evidence.

Sheshbazzar

Nope, your imaginations, contrary to what the texts reveal.
"Poverty stricken Jew"
You repeat this phrase often. You apparently have someone else in mind than that individual that is described within The NT Gospels, He whom upon multiple occasions proved capable of providing food and entertainment for upwards of 6000 people at a single setting.

And whom traveled about with a retinue of followers with a communal money bag from which they were able, in addition to the supplying all of their own needs, from their surplus, still able to donate alms to the poor.

That one whom at the Pashka Festival, his credit worthiness so renowned that he could order up transportation and provisions simply upon his word, and whom during the busiest night of the year, was able to reserve one of the most desirable dining halls in the entire city in which to hold his private party.

The one that allegedly stated; "For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good; but Me you do not have always."

And whom when he died, was laid to rest in a brand-new garden tomb prepared for a very wealthy man.

Is that the "poverty stricken Jew" you are talking about?

Evidently neither of which you actually know much about.

You apparently lack any real knowledge of the range of usage for the word τέκτων, it most certainly is not exclusive to a 'handworking renter who lived a life below the common peasant.' that is reading in your own, incorrect interpretation of a foreign word into the texts.

As has been pointed out to you before, you cannot find nor provide even one single verse out of the entire NT where this individual ever lifts as much as a finger to do any manner of menial handwork.

outhouse

no, but it is a fact they deified a poor peasant jew, even it is a MJ. thats who they deified.



quit playing run around the statement.



theres no use debating you if you act like aa

Sheshbazzar

No 'poor peasant Jew' involved.

James The Least

Thank you. It seems like everybody has refuted Outhouses' "Jesus must be real 'cause the Romans wouldn't worship a dead Jewish peasant" nonsense by now, and yet he still repeats it every day as somehow the fatal blow to the Christ Myth theory.

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