spin

Rubbish. It has nothing to do with induction. Did you get the word off a cornflakes packet or something?

Here we have yet another thread especially created for Chili Amos's erratic flow of consciousness. You simply don't do the job required of someone who posts here. You are supposed to be relating to the discourse, not deviating from it. You take no toll of the fact that of nearly everything that takes your fancy to comment on, your comments are eventually split from it. Why? because you are not being deductive or inductive: you are being, at best, tangential; at worst, plain irrelevant.

Like Gen. Jack Ripper in Dr Strangelove, you see beyond the appearance and are preoccupied with the vital essence.

Like Ripper, you don't have the tools to get beyond the appearance. You live in a phenomenological world and your tools are phenomenological: you see what the light reflecting off objects allows you to see. You here only vibrations. You touch solidity, although the size of a nucleus of an atom compared to the space it occupies should make it seem almost empty.

And here you are, thinking you can get beyond that phenomenological world -- using a leap into unknowing you call "induction"? In my book this is delusion. So many of the premises you have enunciated are uncontrolled: ie there is no way for you to test them, to verify them, to at least show that they could be wrong. You give yourself, for want of better words, no reality check.

As long as you continue like this, whatever strikes you to say here will invariably end up being split and eventually sent elsewhere.


spin

Toto

And on that note - - - :wave:

Chili

Here is what I mean by that.

If you would point 'up' to see heaven I would ask where the second one was and to say that there is another one beyond this one already violates my integrity as a skeptic (and that will never be).

Now if the plural of heavens makes reference to the ability to retain knowledge from one generation to the next -- with each generation's input being a different level in heaven -- I can see why heaven is cumulative . . . and is round if the high point of heaven is the furthest removed from the present blank slate of earth.

When God created the heavens and the earth the idea was called into existence that knowledge must accumulate to form layer upon layer inside the species so the fittest can survive in an environment where only the fittest survive. This ability adds complexity to life and really puts the Intelligent Design within the species so they can survive from one generation to the next = mind before matter = is essence precedes existence.