buddahead

Adam and eve and the ye old satan the serpent




consider Adam/Atom and see if we can somehow prove scientifically our suggestion that Adam and Atom, are the same. Nuclear Fission occurs when an electron is removed from an Atom. This causes energy to multiply. The Biblical allegory describes nuclear fission thusly. Genesis 2:21, God formed a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and took one of his ribs and the rib that God took he used to make a woman. Thus the energy is multiplied by the splitting of the Adam/Atom..


The Biblical Allegory describes this fact of science thusly. In Genesis 2:21 it says that God formed a deep sleep to fall on Adam and took one of his ribs. In Genesis 2:22 it says that the rib God took, he used to make a woman. Thus the energy is multiplied by the splitting of the Adam/Atom.

So here we see the evolution of life from the physical Adam to the mental Eve.
Now we are introduced to the serpent. Genesis 3:1 says that the serpent was more subtile then any beast of the field. The word subtile is subtle and means clever. It is a portrait of the human spine represented as a serpent and pictured as the source of sensual temptation. Of course this makes total sense since all of our sensual temptation comes through the physical body.


We have already concluded that Eve represents the mind in our creation allegory. Eve the mind is tempted by the flesh or the lower part. (Represented by the serpent/the spine). Genesis 2:17 says you shall not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Now as you ponder this consider just what could be meant by the knowledge of the tree of good and evil. These are opposites and they represent confusion. What is being said here is that you should not make your decisions on information that comes through the carnal mind which is good and evil, but on the other hand you should make your decisions on information which is the result of your meditation from the right side.

In this story when Eve eats the fruit, the story is describing how we decide. Eve eats the fruit. The mind considers the matter and makes a decision. Then Adam eats. What originally had begun as a thought (Eve) now manifests into an act, (Adam). When the act is carried out, the Bible says that they immediately realized that they were naked. What is portrayed here is quite simply a guilty conscience. To be aware that we are naked is to be aware that we are now exposed to greater problems because of the actions we have chosen to take. In Genesis 3:11 God asks our heroes who told them they were naked. The answer in Genesis 3:13 is that the serpent beguiled me. In other words we were deceived. Deceived by who. The serpent , the spine, ourselves. There is a very interesting fact that you should consider right here. Notice the word beguiled in Genesis 3:13, beguile. It means to deceive. What is amazing here is that in 2 Corinthians 12:16 the Apostle Paul uses the very same strategy



to secure new converts. Paul says quite frankly " I caught you with guile". What is so interesting about this is the fact that in considering the serpent in our story, we must realize that the actions of the serpent caused Adam and Eve to evolve to a God like state. The "fall" was actually a rise in consciousness.

The Bible quotes God as saying. "Man has become as one of us". So Paul using guile and the serpent using guile gives us pause to consider the identity of both. Both are doing "Gods" work. It was extremely important for Adam and Eve, (body and mind), to experience good and evil.

Evolution to a higher state is impossible without that experience. As God says in Isaiah 45:7,"I create good and I make evil, I the Lord do all these things. So the serpent is a very important part of God and actually is God. God and the tempting serpent are one and the same.

Once the decision is made to take from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, we are no longer in the Garden of Eden which the Bible says is positioned in the East. We are now firmly entrenched in the West, in the carnal mind, the left side, the place of good and evil.

capnkirk

That's the beauty of allegories...one can draw just about any hidden meaning out of one that one wishes, and is the refuge of last resort for a theist who is otherwise trapped in a logical argument. For, who can argue what the author's allegorical intentions were?

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Rhea

I thought nuclear fission occured when a PROTON OR NEUTRON was removed? From the "nucleus" hence "nuclear" fission. Losing an electron is just a valence change, isn't it?


Like iron rusting?


....now to read the rest...

buddahead

below are proofs that the bible is mythology and not to be taken literally


Is the bible a symbol

Our first order of business in this quest is to see if we can justify considering the Bible as symbolic rather then literal. We must use the Bible itself.

1.2Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. So here is the Bible itself telling us not to take it literally.

2. Galatians 4:24 Which things are an allegory: the definition of a myth includes the term allegory. Here again the Bible tells us it is symbolic.

3. Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: The Bible is saying that all of Jesus statements were symbolic.

4. Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: Here the fact that this is all consciousness is made clear. It says to know the mystery of the Kingdom of�*God. Where is the Kingdom of God ? . (Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.) The statement concludes by saying that "unto them that are without". Outside of the meditative state. Outside of the inner realm of consciousness where exists the Kingdom of God..

5. Psalm 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Here the Bible states that GOD speaks in parables . And what are dark sayings of old. Obviously they are symbolic statements.

6. In the Book of Proverbs describes wisdom. It explains how one becomes wise. Proverbs 1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

7. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 2 cor.4:3

8. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 2 cor. 3:14

9. We should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6)

10. Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak in parables? EZ:20

11. 1Cr 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory.


12. Eze. 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;

13. Jdg.14:19 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father's house.

14. Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of GOD to conceal a thing: but honor of kings is to search out a matter.

15. Isaiah 9,10 And he said, Go and tell this people, hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes.

Here again we see that God speaks in mysteries, riddles and parables, He puts riddles in peoples mouths, he shuts their eyes and ears, and that is Gods glory that he conceal a thing, and make you and I search it.

There’s no doubt is there, about what is being said here, the Bible was written in a certain metaphorical language of old, which is mythology.

Rhea

Seems like there is a lot of non-sequitur going on in there. Even the thread through the story takes unnecessary twists. And leaps. The atom thing is completely irrelevant to the deceit thing. Y'know?

capnkirk

Rhea,

That is correct. I noticed that too, but I just didn't want to spend the effort to respond to each and every point. Like you, I never quite could make out just what buddahead was driving at.

Since he is a new user here, I think that he may not realize that his arguments in support of his "proofs that the bible is mythology and not to be taken literally", while true, are not likely to attract much attention here.

buddahead:

While I respect your courage and the amount of effort you invested in putting together your arguments for your post, let me suggest some books by leading scholars that should provide you with a giant leap forward in your understanding and perspective. The first book is Unearthing the Bible by Israel Finkelstein. Here the author unflinchingly applies the archaeological record (in light of the discoveries of the last 30 years) of sites all across the southeastern Mediterranean and presents a drastically revised portrait of ancient Israel and its neighbors. He argues that the record suggests that the famous stories of the Old Testament -- the wanderings of the Patriarchs, the Exodus from Egypt, Joshua's conquest of Canaan, and David and Solomon's vast empire -- reflect the world of later authors rather than historical facts.

For the New Testament, I would recommend Who Wrote the New Testament? The Making of the Christian Myth by Burton L. Mack. Mack begins with the lost "Q" gospel and chronologically traces the mythmaking process from the (exclusively human) Jesus whose sayings were captured in the oldest versions of Q, through the "Jesus fellowship" groups, the later Christ cults, the Gnostics, Pauline Xtianity, the creative effort of the gospels, the invention of the apostolic connection, and on to the first efforts at collection and selection of which documents would make it into the NT canon.

Both these books are available at amazon.com and barnes & noble. I wish you the very best in your educational process.

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Derec

Not quite. Fission normally occurs when a neutron is "shot" at a nucleus. Then the nucleus splits into two big chunks and a couple of fresh neutrons. In the case of sponateous fission the process can occur without any triggering neutrons.

Removing an electron is "ionisation" and can coincide with valence change (as in Fe++ going to Fe+++)

UMoC

buddahead

The point is, this business of removing a rib from adam and creating eve should be looked at as some kind of life priciple or science.

Mageth

Or simply as a metaphor for the splitting of the opposites, the masculine and the feminine. The first three chapters of Genesis are full of such metaphors for splitting of opposites: light from dark, waters from land, heavens from earth, masculine from feminine, good from evil, humans from God, life and death, etc.

I see no other life principle, and certainly no scientific principle, there.

Rhea

I don't think it has to be two big chunks. (I could be wrong, just remembering college classes) Because if the one neutron is shot at the nucleus, removing another neutron or proton during the collision, those daughter particles become fuel for the next interaction. I don't usually see sustained fission models with the Uranium atoms getting pummeled by little leads and borons, but rather with single neutrons & protons that "were removed" from other Uraniums.


Of course that could be artisitic license in the textbooks.


But at any rate, I can't make that fit into the rib thing, I'm afraid. But then again, I've been accused of being cold and clinical, that take that with a grain of quarks.