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Queen of Swords · 07-13-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by XOVER

What do you mean by this statement, JesusFollower?

XOVER, there is a thirty-page thread in GRD where we repeatedly ask JesusFollower the same questions, to which his reply is nearly always, "But god is revealed in the things he made! The evidence is all around you! <insert smiley of choice>"

JesusFollower failed to defend or even flesh out his argument in that thread, so I think it's unlikely he'll do so in this one.

XOVER · 07-13-2006, 10:33 PM

Ahhh, I missed that thread QoS.

Perhaps JesusFollower will continue to remain coy, and, since you have better familiarity with him, he will likely refuse to engage.

Pity, really. I would so like to exercise my mind this weekend.

Biff the unclean · 07-13-2006, 11:21 PM

If the bible says that God is revealed in what he made then let’s look at what the bible says he made.

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Originally Posted by Genesis 1

1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

We have a firmament, which does not exist.
We have an ocean in the sky, which does not exist.
We have a heaven in the sky, which does not exist.

What is revealed in real life about the constructions of god is that they do not exist.
What is revealed about god is that he is a creator who hasn’t got a clue about what creation is. God is revealed as nothing but a bullshit story.

But maybe Genesis 1 is metaphor. In that case Acts is bullshit

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Originally Posted by Acts 1

:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

If Gen 1 is metaphor then all the accounts of the ascension in the NT are bullshite as well as the story of the rapture, because the Jesus character lives in the bizarre snow globe of a world established in Genesis 1.
In real life Jesus was headed for the vacuum of space not the firmament of heaven. Outer space would make the crucifixion seem like a picnic.

So the invisible attribute (literally) of God that is revealed by what he made is that god is a fictional character in a rather poorly written book. His attributes are invisible for the same reason every other fictional characters attributes are invisible…they are imaginary.

Helpmabob · 07-14-2006, 03:19 AM

Jesus, The Only Way? - I absolutely think so. Jesus has provided the route. This is not to say that only 'christians' as we commonly term them will enter God's Kingdom, but any that do enter, will do so through Jesus' facilitation, not through their own merits.

Roger Pearse · 07-14-2006, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lenrek

Let's try this thread at BC&H. Thread move from EoG to BC&H

Please move this somewhere else.

Mythra · 07-14-2006, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JesusFollower

To make Him fit all 300 prophesies?

That would be a miracle of it's own.

You know, I used to think the exact same thing, back when I was a follower of Emmanuel Christ.

Toto · 07-14-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

Please move this somewhere else.

I have to agree. Although I really don't like to treat threads like ping pong balls, this one deserves a home down below.

Moving to ~Elsewhere~

Mageth · 07-14-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Helpmabob

Jesus, The Only Way? - I absolutely think so. Jesus has provided the route. This is not to say that only 'christians' as we commonly term them will enter God's Kingdom, but any that do enter, will do so through Jesus' facilitation, not through their own merits.

On what basis will JesusGod evaluate someone to determine whether they can enter or not?

JesusFollower · 07-14-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Delia

You've missed the point, probably intentionally. Chong was satirizing the replacement of one addiction with another. It was part of a comedy routine on a vinyl record album (not sure which one - "Big Bambu," "Los Cochinos," etc.) in the late 1960's to early 1970's, and the comedy team of Cheech and Chong was a big part of what was known as the drug culture. That substitution which was satirized is comically illustrated with arguments such as the one you tried to make.

But I suppose you'll take any kind of encouragement from wherever it comes, regardless whether it actually supports your position.

WMD

It was intentional.

JesusFollower · 07-14-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mageth

Buck up and tell us more about why you think Jesus is "the way."

He has fullfilled the Old Testament prophesies concerning the coming Messiah. He has changed My life completely as I have posted earlier.
He has hundreds of followers who have had the option to denounce Him at the point of death yet choose not to deny Him.
He shows me love and acceptace and has paid the ultimate sacrific like no other
so-called diety has.

To Me. Jesus is King!:notworthy: And worthy of all adoration...:notworthy:

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07-13-2006, 10:33 PM	#132
XOVER Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Posts: 168	Ahhh, I missed that thread QoS. Perhaps JesusFollower will continue to remain coy, and, since you have better familiarity with him, he will likely refuse to engage. Pity, really. I would so like to exercise my mind this weekend.

07-14-2006, 03:19 AM	#134
Helpmabob Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 431	Jesus, The Only Way? - I absolutely think so. Jesus has provided the route. This is not to say that only 'christians' as we commonly term them will enter God's Kingdom, but any that do enter, will do so through Jesus' facilitation, not through their own merits.

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