aa5874

You appear to be completely naive or pretend to be. How on earth can the miracles and sacrifice associated with Jesus of the NT be meaningless? These elements are fundamental to the Jesus story.

Homer's description of and events surrounding the entity called Achilles is fundamental in making a determination about the historicity of Achilles, likewise the description and events about Jesus is extremely important to understand that Jesus was presented as a god/man, a myth.

One cannot ignore that Achilles was the offspring of a sea-goddess.

Neither can it be ignored that it was multiple-attested that Jesus was the offspring of the Holy Ghost of God without sexual union.

The church writers and authors of the NT claimed Jesus was God.

This is Origen in De Principiis

kcdad

You don't seem to know which side you are arguing... Jesus and Achilles were both mythological? Or Homer and authors of The New Testament were both classical Greek story tellers? I don't find it very useful to compare the NT with Homer... at all. You certainly can compare later interpretations of the NT by Greek and Roman trained church leaders to their understanding of Homer, and Octavian's role in History.

kcdad

Which "miracles" do you refer to?

The metaphorical changing water into wine?
The mistranslated walking on the water?
The dubious raising of Lazarus?
Numerous healings?

Which of these or other miracles do you believe actually occurred?

aa5874

What I find completely miraculous is that many of those who believe Jesus was just a man don't believe Spiderman was a just a spider or only human.

Jesus was a myth who could do miracles like any other myth.

Toto

What support is there for he idea that the changing of water into wine was only metaphor? Or do you think that the entire wedding at Cana was a metaphor?

How was walking on water a mistranslation?

Why is the raising of Lazarus dubious?

spamandham

Spiderman is both fully human and fully spider.

aa5874

The people who fabricated Spiderman will tell you what it is. Only their description matters although it is a fiction character. I do not mess with, try to alter, or ignore the profile of Spiderman.

So, too, the people who fabricated Jesus will tell us what it is. Only their description matters although it is a character of fiction. I do not try to alter, remove, ignore or mess with their description of Jesus.

And we have a description sanctioned by the Church and it is all mythical.

Only their description matters.

De Principiis by Origen Let the Church tell us about their Jesus.

I only listen to them and agree that their Jesus as described was presented as God and man.

But, such a description is consistent with mythology.

kcdad

If you really meant that you would have written Jesus IS a myth. "Was" implies a state of being that has changed over time. So do you mean that Jesus is no longer a myth and has become real or did you mean he was real and became a myth?
As for your Spiderman allusion, Peter Parker is a comic book figure, who, in Stan Lee's imagination, is a human being who was bit by a radioactive spider, and through mutations developed spider like abilities, mainly strength and sensitivity.
That does not make him a spider anymore than eating an egg makes you a chicken.

What do you think it means to be a human being... what do you think it means to be a son of, or a god?

aa5874

I think you are getting the point, now.

In order to know about Spiderman you must depend upon Stan Lee. Whatever Stan Lee claimed about Spiderman MUST be accepted as original and cannot be altered or contradicted.

So, too, in order to know about Jesus Christ, you must depend upon the authors of the NT and the church writers. And their Jesus Christ cannot be contradicted or altered.

The Church claims Jesus Christ is the offspring of the Holy Ghost of God, truly born without sexual union, that was God and then became a man, truly transfigured, truly died, truly resurrected, ascended to heaven and will come back a second time for dead believers.

Stan Lee provided the profile for his Spiderman.
Stan Lee wrote fiction.
Spiderman was fiction.


The Church provided the profile for their Jesus Christ.
The Church wrote fiction.
Jesus Christ was fiction.

Now, the writer called Paul was absolutely aware that his Jesus Christ was fiction. The Church even produced a fictitious history for Saul/Paul to mask or conceal his non-historicity in the 1st century called Acts of the Apostles.

A real 1st century character does not need fiction to corroborate his historicity.

But, Paul needed Acts.

The Pauline characters were backdated fiction writers.

kcdad

This is not a fact about Y'shua (Jesus). Jesus, the Christ is not the same as whatever you are referring to as Jesus Christ.

A real 1st Century figure that is dead doesn't need anything....

The Church needed Acts to formulate and justify doctrine. Paul didn't need it...