Dharma

Again you seem to love to try to make up etymologies that don't make sense, but try to deliver the myth of Christ into Judaism when it is a Greek sun cult, with the cross and everything else associated with the sun.

Mary is called a virgin, a Maiden and thus corresponds with the Roman derived meaning which I posted earlier and NOT the Hebrew Miriam which HAS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MEANING. Miriam has nothing to do with virginity.

and the English word Man is NOT derived or associated with the Roman word Mas. Man is associated with a Germanic God Manno.

You have given no evidence of your etymological derivation, but I have given mine.

Visionary7

John 7.46
No one ever spoke the way this man does. 47 You mean he has decieved you also? The pharisees retorted.

If you look at it from several different viewpoints, the chronological order the events described start to make a lot of sense. To me, really have to master the text and able to process it or intrepret it correctly to actually gain any understanding that's actually worth anything and serves to uphold it rather than to bring it down.

I've read the old canard.A collection of myths,fables and storytelling?

That is a very slippery theological path. If your outlook becomes dark your understanding of any bible phrases will eventually become dark itself. The reason I took the time to give you a respectful reply was because I noticed a different type of tone in your questions, not those of the latter.

Let's look at your two specific questions.

1.Part of it relies on the Jews being innocent, according to the Bible and Jesus--they weren't. The Jews seemed reliant on thier own observation and defintion of the sabbatical law that any statement by Jesus was considered blasphemy, thus, set his crucifixion into motion by the Roman sect. Just like you and I, we don't really know if Jesus is God, but says he is in Scripture. The latter becomes of matter of faith.It makes sense to say from a viewpoint of faith and discipleship that God knew what the said outcome of the perceived event were, it becomes very simple and clearcut teaching to rely Jesus for faith.


2.
The work of Jesus was to complete and finish the will of whom he was sent.For me to speak on the matter of whether the Jews should get credit for the result of Jesus's death isn't really my place.Whether credit should be applied for any action is not in any Biblical teaching with general sense.

See John 7.15

How did this man get such learning without having studied? 16 Jesus answered My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or I speak on my own.


From this viewpoint, maybe we can see where the controversy that led to Jesus' crucifixion came from.

Visionary7

No questions?

Thy word, O Lord, is settled in heaven.

John A. Broussard

Question:

Does this mean that the bible means different things to different people depending on their outlook? Isn't there a "true" maning there that transcends outlook? E.g., when Joshua stopped the sun from moving, didn't he stop the sun from moving, no matter what your outlook or mine?

Visionary7

Then I apologize and digress,where exactly is GRD? If I may inquire. I've read,studied,pored over the Bible enough to give
pointers,dictions,intrepretations,explain and close said skeptic question/discussion or argument.I am only here to help skeptics with Bible difficulties and discuss some things and several principles of Bible Prophecy.

John A. Broussard

Great! Here's a bible difficulty. Joshua made the sun stand still. I have difficulty with that passage. Do you?

Visionary7

Jeremiah ? I, the Lord, search the heart.


In what sense and way(s) are to speakin of? True meaning is found in Scripture when one has trained oneself in Word closely to emulate Jesus with ease. The disciple John wrote If anyone acknlowedges that Jesus is the son of God, God lives in him and he in God.

1 John 5.10
Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart.

Please intrepret that last 2 lines of Scripture for me to possibly gain a better undeterstanding of one's outlook


You are referring specifically to Joshua 12

On that day the Lord gave the amorities over to Israel; Joshua said to Lord in the presence of Israel. "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the valley of Aijalon. So sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on it's enemies.

Visionary7

Hey John! Ironic you and I are up late. I went to bed but my crazy friend climbed throught window and woke me up. So here I am. lol

Me? In general.no. What is your specific difficulty with the passage John?

For example, I believe that if you I were present at the actual event in Biblical History; we would actually witness the sun stop and moon stand still. You have to put yourself in the persepective of the write and try to view the passage and imagine it as the write wrote it.

That help?

Enda80

Yes, but the thing is, these KKK and Nazis tend not to go for figurative interpretations; they are not the sort of liberal Christians who try to write off the supernatural as figurative.

Besides, much of the Pentateuch swiftly becomes meaningless if you try to make it figurative.

So anyway, these KKK and Nazis, how do they reconcile the fact that the Hebrew Bible shows Yahweh acting to save the Judahites and other Israelites at times? If the Bible remains infallible, then the authors could not have lied about Yahweh saving the Judahites; often these events are presented in the third person, not as lines of dialogue. Apparently Hitler in book called Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin attempted to present Moses as the villain in the Passover story, but the problem is that the Hebrew Bible itself presents Moses as receiving aid from Yahweh god.

Muslims have the same problem; some Muslims tried to paint Moses as a criminal in the story of his attack on the Egyptians, but the problem is, the retelling of the Moses in Egypt story in the Qu'ran shows that Allah was on Moses' side against the Pharaoh, and that Allah helped Moses against the Pharaoh.

The only way out I can think of would be to follow a variation on Marcion's route. Marcion taught that the Hebrew Bible should be excluded from canon. He also taught that any laudatory references to Hebrew Bible humans such as Moses in New Testament works, one should write these references off as interpolations by later writers to the (hypothetical) original manuscripts. This would retain the idea of an infallible Bible, but in this case only the manuscripts would be infallible, all later copies would be corrupted-including the Bible that you would probably buy at a book store.

funinspace

I'm probably in the same boat as John…so at the very same moment you had brothers standing in Cairo, Athens, Babylon, somewhere in Urban China and Persia, et.al. What did they see?