No Robots

The truth is that he is the great prophetic teacher, mystic and genius.

storytime

But was he a legitimate representative of the old testament god?

Did the OT god need to send a saviour?

Did the OT god need competition from a man?

Has the OT god proven the NT god-man a liar?

No Robots

The objective of all prophets, Christ included, is to free the people of their misconceptions about the Absolute. The commonality constantly reifies the Absolute, making it into some kind of imaginary god-thing. The prophets constantly exhort the people to internalize the Absolute as the abstract principle of Thought itself, the Cogitant, what Christ calls The Father.

Yellum Notnef

You sure have your work cut out for you which seems to doing well for your particular type of Christian persecution complex.

You seem to belong to a very small sect of people who are too rational to accept the standard belief of what Jesus was, but not quite rational enough to just let him go. So you've found a couple authors who were already in your boat who have turned Jesus into something you can find more believable. But all this does is turn Jesus into a just another crackpot with no reason to listen to anything he has to say.

What is a mystic? Bunk.
What is a prophet? Bunk.
What is a mystical prophetic teacher? Bunk.

This puts the bible on the shelf right next to Nostradamus and Edgar Casey.

No Robots

What is Christ? Christ is a hero, the hero. I'll let Carlyle speak for me:

And now if worship even of a star had some meaning in it, how much more might that of a Hero! Worship of a Hero is transcendent admiration of a Great Man. I say great men are still admirable; I say there is, at bottom, nothing else admirable! No nobler feeling than this of admiration for one higher than himself dwells in the breast of man. It is to this hour, and at all hours, the vivifying influence in man's life. Religion I find stand upon it; not Paganism only, but far higher and truer religions,--all religion hitherto known. Hero-worship, heartfelt prostrate admiration, submission, burning, boundless, for a noblest godlike Form of Man,--is not that the germ of Christianity itself? The greatest of all Heroes is One--whom we do not name here! Let sacred silence meditate that sacred matter; you will find it the ultimate perfection of a principle extant throughout man's whole history on earth.--Heroes and Hero Worship

Yellum Notnef

You always let some author speak for you which is a big part of your problem.

No Robots

Just my way of pointing out that the views that you call bunk are shared by many fine minds, minds far better at expressing what I think than I am.

Yellum Notnef

I think we should just leave it that with the understanding that one persons "fine mind" is another persons fool.

aa5874

But why don't you let Christ speak for you?

gurugeorge

Correction: there are strong suggestions that some of the people who wrote some of the texts were religious geniuses and mystics. (On the other hand, a lot of it is rubbish from the mystical point of view - more to do with doctrinaire to-s and fro-s, mental masturbation, political power-play, etc.)

We have no surety at all that a chap called "Jesus" or "Christ" ever said any of the good bits. For all we know, if he existed, he might have been the one who said the crap stuff, and the religious genius is just some obscure person or persons through whose hands the texts passed.

I agree that there are mystically profound bits and pieces in the NT, just as in the OT, in the Mahayana texts, in the Dao De Jing, etc., etc., et multae ceterae. But we really have very little clue as to who wrote any of those things.

Nor, from the mystical point of view, should it matter ...