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AJ113 · 03-30-2004, 04:58 AM

Actually, the Catholic Church is not against birth control, in fact the church endorses it. Surprised? It's true!

It's the methods of birth control that are the issue. The only two methods that are endorsed by the Catholic Curch are a)abstinence and b)Natural Family Planning. NFP is actually very efficient, equal in effectiveness to that of the birth control pill.

Oh, I forgot: c)Make sure the male adult only has sex with young boys. This one is not endorsed though. In fact it's not accepted as existing in the first place.

What has always pissed me off about this endorsing of birth control through NFP is the sheer hypocrisy of it. NFP stops the egg being fertilised through the timing of the woman's menstrual cycle, whilst condoms stop the egg being fertilised by means of a rubber barrier. WTF does it matter? Either birth control is ok or it isn't! Make your fucking minds up!

As an ex-catholic, I voted 'other' as in 'run like shit and don't even think about going back.'

03-30-2004, 05:39 AM

OTHER! I know in this country, (USA), when you say catholic church, we tend to automatically think Roman Catholic. But the Orthodox catholic church does permit marriage of priests, female priests (they're called Mother), aren't totally dependent on the church for financial support (they're required to have a career, job etc.,) to pay their own living expenses. It's basically just the Roman Catholic church that has all the strict rules against what I consider 'living'. The orthodox split from the roman's for a reason. The orthodox are in a huge minority here and we don't hear too much about their doctrine or dogma. There's a big difference between Roman and Orthodox catholics when it comes to behavior demands. For a non-catholic, non-religious person though, I'm most familiar with the Greek Orthodox and even that isn't a lot.

I chose other because all of the choices would have been appropriate and another 15 or 20 should have been on the list.

Shake · 03-30-2004, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AJ113

What has always pissed me off about this endorsing of birth control through NFP is the sheer hypocrisy of it. NFP stops the egg being fertilised through the timing of the woman's menstrual cycle, whilst condoms stop the egg being fertilised by means of a rubber barrier. WTF does it matter? Either birth control is ok or it isn't! Make your fucking minds up!

Also since every sperm is sacred!

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Originally Posted by AJ113

As an ex-catholic, I voted 'other' as in 'run like shit and don't even think about going back.'

Ben Willott · 03-30-2004, 10:45 AM

Other - the best thing that could happen would be for them to wake up from their delusions. I'm not holding my breath though.

quartodeciman · 03-30-2004, 12:35 PM

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Godless Wonder · 03-30-2004, 12:50 PM

loss of faith.

View Poll Results: What would most benefit Catholics?
Women clergy	2	1.74%
Married clergy	19	16.52%
Abolishing ban on birth control	34	29.57%
Acceptance of homosexuality	3	2.61%
A more democratic system	14	12.17%
Other (please specify)	43	37.39%
Voters: 115. You may not vote on this poll

03-30-2004, 12:35 PM	#155
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03-30-2004, 04:58 AM	#151
AJ113 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hull UK Posts: 854	Actually, the Catholic Church is not against birth control, in fact the church endorses it. Surprised? It's true! It's the methods of birth control that are the issue. The only two methods that are endorsed by the Catholic Curch are a)abstinence and b)Natural Family Planning. NFP is actually very efficient, equal in effectiveness to that of the birth control pill. Oh, I forgot: c)Make sure the male adult only has sex with young boys. This one is not endorsed though. In fact it's not accepted as existing in the first place. What has always pissed me off about this endorsing of birth control through NFP is the sheer hypocrisy of it. NFP stops the egg being fertilised through the timing of the woman's menstrual cycle, whilst condoms stop the egg being fertilised by means of a rubber barrier. WTF does it matter? Either birth control is ok or it isn't! Make your fucking minds up! As an ex-catholic, I voted 'other' as in 'run like shit and don't even think about going back.'

03-30-2004, 05:39 AM	#152
MsPuma Guest Posts: n/a	OTHER! I know in this country, (USA), when you say catholic church, we tend to automatically think Roman Catholic. But the Orthodox catholic church does permit marriage of priests, female priests (they're called Mother), aren't totally dependent on the church for financial support (they're required to have a career, job etc.,) to pay their own living expenses. It's basically just the Roman Catholic church that has all the strict rules against what I consider 'living'. The orthodox split from the roman's for a reason. The orthodox are in a huge minority here and we don't hear too much about their doctrine or dogma. There's a big difference between Roman and Orthodox catholics when it comes to behavior demands. For a non-catholic, non-religious person though, I'm most familiar with the Greek Orthodox and even that isn't a lot. I chose other because all of the choices would have been appropriate and another 15 or 20 should have been on the list.

03-30-2004, 10:45 AM	#154
Ben Willott Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Posts: 207	Other - the best thing that could happen would be for them to wake up from their delusions. I'm not holding my breath though.

03-30-2004, 12:50 PM	#156
Godless Wonder Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,197	loss of faith.

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