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Old 07-10-2006, 12:59 PM   #31
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Oh, that this too too sullied flesh would melt, thaw, and resolve itself into a dew; or that the Almighty had not fix'd his canon 'gainst self-slaughter!
:redface: Applause! Applause!
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Old 07-10-2006, 12:59 PM   #32
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Please quote Shakespeare.
'By cock, they are to blame!'
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A great question windsofchange. I have pondered that same thing before. I have found no biblical answer at this time for you or me on that one.
So if there's no answer, why believe it?
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Old 07-10-2006, 01:02 PM   #34
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I'd rather point you to one of my other favorite poets, Danish H. C. Andersen, esp
The Emperor's New Clothes.
It's a story that well describes religion.
I love that story. My daughter has it on video. I don't like religion either. It's man-made. I want a relationship with my Maker not some religion with a bunch of to-do lists.I could name a few of those but that would be off thread. So what about Jesus? Is He a liar, lunatic or Lord when He says, He is the only way to God?
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So if there's no answer, why believe it?
There are many unanswered things about God but since I am not God I don't know all things. I don't see the wind but that doesn't mean I don't believe in wind. I have a hard time believing that "all roads" lead to God.
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'By cock, they are to blame!'
Another timely Shakespeare...
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Old 07-10-2006, 01:07 PM   #37
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Sure, He is the beginning. He is the first cause. He holds the atoms together and keeps everything in balance to sustain life here. He is love and He is light. God is a spirit and not visible like the wind. You see His cause and effects but not Him.
Lol, Jesus is the strong nuclear force. :rolling::rolling::rolling::huh: :angel: :rolling::rolling::rolling:
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There are many unanswered things about God but since I am not God I don't know all things. I don't see the wind but that doesn't mean I don't believe in wind. I have a hard time believing that "all roads" lead to God.
But since there are no definite answers, how can you possibly know that the road you've chosen to follow is the right one? :huh:
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It seems that the task before us is to:

1. Proove Jesus said that, using sources other than the bible.

2. Prove there is a God

3. Prove that said God is reachable by any means

4. Prove that said God is the God reachable via Jesus

5. Prove that there is no other way to said God

Lets say we give you #1, that Jesus said it. We still have a long, long, long way to go to know if Jesus was telling the truth, don't we?
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Sure, He is the beginning. He is the first cause. He holds the atoms together and keeps everything in balance to sustain life here. He is love and He is light. God is a spirit and not visible like the wind. You see His cause and effects but not Him.
Thanks for the definition.
Problem is, how is your definition different that what a follower of Allah would say? How does it show me that god is in any way not a figment of your imagination?

I would say the Universe is the beginning, so by your definition the Universe is god. a First Cause is undefined. What is the "First Cause", exactly? how can their be a first cause?

He holds the atoms together and keeps everything in balance to sustain life here. Ok, now you're confusing me. By the first part of your definition the universe would be god. What you list here are physical properties of the universe. So god is nothing but physical properties of the universe? How can you worship something that is just a collection of physical properties of the universe?

On the rest of your definition, Light is a physical part of the universe, spirit is undefined. How is saying God is Light not contradictory with saying god is not visible?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

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