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Zeda · 07-07-2004, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Anitra

I do too, Zeda, and have invested a lot of time in it -- but I took a tack more of trying to reason my own answers from experiential reality and using other sources to compare notes with, rather than looking for a set of answers given somewhere. I have some answers that work for me, now -- but I have found that the process of asking the questions is more important than the answers you come up with.

Heck yeah!!

I'm not even sure there are any answers.

Answerer · 07-07-2004, 08:23 AM

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So why do Christians come here?

From my point of observations: (Not all Christians here I'm refering to in each of the points)

1) To express their unique view of christianity which is something that most of us can't hear or see often in daily interaction with Christians.

2) To understand the atheism for themselves or to make friends with the atheists.

3) To learn more about the ways to defend their theist beliefs and attack the common "doubts" and "misunderstandings" of their religions.

4) To derail threads and to disrupt our normal discussions, perhaps by doing so, some of them truly believe that they are doing a great deed for their God and beliefs. (Well, you guys know who are the ones

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5) To attack certain opinions of the atheism which they believe is totally or largely wrong.

6) To spend (or waste) their time here with nothing important to do at home.

7) To learn more about science, history, etc so as to help in or further their missionary or daily tasks and conversions in the future.

Last but not least, the feeling of superiority and righteousness when arguing with the "minions of Satan, Greed and Ignorance". ( Flame Deleted )

Zeda · 07-07-2004, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by queser

To plug the holes.

That is all the holes or least to get pointers as to where i could find the plugs

Lol, Well said. :notworthy

(Too bad I leak like a sieve)

Zeda · 07-07-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HLKern

I believe they come here to witness to us heathens. In the hopes that one of us will "find the way" therefore securing their place in heaven by saving at least one soul.

Hi HLKern,

Welcome to the boards.

I think you will find if they come to witness they usually get run out on a rail pretty quickly. Not alot of room here for the cut-and-paste types.

I have seen a few that this was thier motive, mainly Christians and Muslims. But we have tons of smart people here, so unless they can talk about proof, any holes get identifyed pretty fast.

If that is thier goal, they can find alot more converts other places. Most people here, have thier views pretty well thought out.

Magus55 · 07-07-2004, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HLKern

I believe they come here to witness to us heathens. In the hopes that one of us will "find the way" therefore securing their place in heaven by saving at least one soul.

As Mrmod put it, we can't save your souls. All we can do is lead one to Christ, and God does the rest. And it doesn't ensure our place in heaven, since saving souls isn't a requirement to get there.

Magus55 · 07-07-2004, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Answerer

Last but not least, the feeling of superiority and righteousness when arguing with the "minions of Satan, Greed and Ignorance". ( Flame Deleted )

Nope.

jdlongmire · 07-07-2004, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

As Mrmod put it, we can't save your souls. All we can do is lead one to Christ, and God does the rest. And it doesn't ensure our place in heaven, since saving souls isn't a requirement to get there.

Amen...

converted · 07-07-2004, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeda

Hi again Converted,

I would never doubt that you had the experiences you report having. Many things are not easily explained. All one can do is investigate alternative explanations for what one has experienced.

I too have had things happen that werent easily explained. I dont try to explain them, because I dont know the answers.

You have alot in your post, too much to address here in a post or two, but believe me, I will spend alot more time reading this post over and thinking about it.

One small correction though as to where I am at. I am not an atheist, but an agnostic. I dont pretend to know if there is a God or not. I have not near enough knowledge to come to a decision. I am in the process of trying to learn what I can, so I can decide if I believe there is a God, and If there is, who he is, and what he wants of us.

I am trying to leave myself open to the possibilites.

I maintain a website for my church. The Pastor of my church is pretty awesome and I record and post his sermons there in MP3 format.

Here is the website: http://www.mtnvineyard.org/ Here is the subpage that has the sermons: http://www.mtnvineyard.org/Sermons.htm

If you are seeking, listen to the sermon recorded last Sunday July 4, 2004. The file is 9 MB and lasts about 45 minutes. Let me know what you think. I am in teh processof converting old audio tapes into MP3s, but there are 20-25 sermons already posted.

Whether you determine Christainity is valid or invalid, he is an awe inspiring person to listen to because he is down to earth, admits his flaws, relates well to everyone,...

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